SS2 Vegeto

It didn't, because it was an orb. How can an orb, staying in one place, no bigger than an island blow up a planet? Yet this somehow means to you, that it can't contain more energy than something that can destroy the earth because of the type of attack it is? Base Vegeta, in the Saiya-jin saga, uses some of his ki to form the gallick gun. Super Saiya-jin 2 Majin Vegeta, in the Buu saga, expells all of his ki from his body, in one final attack that he is not capable of exceeding, in a suicide attempt (but according to you, he could have just used gallick gun, and it would be stronger, despite the fact that he was willing to die in this attack, and go to hell, have his body taken away, his memories wiped, his soul cleansed, and sent back different). So, gallick gun is somehow stronger? Sorry, but no.

That's non-canon. It's anime-only. In canon (i.e. the manga), no galaxy has been shown to have been destroyed, or stated to have been destroyed by any individual, at any point in time. Don't use filler to prove points.

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Final Ultima

I have an interview where Toriyama says he writes the "Story line" for filler!!

Also I agree with your point on the explosion.

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Zer0

Now that is an interview I have to see.

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Final Ultima

I: Do you always have in mind the minute details for anime story plans that don't appear in the printed original? TA: I usually come up with the plans that are supposed to capture the general gist of the story. For example, for the part of an episode that will skip to five years in the future,I create the story line,"These things must have happened within those five years."

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopi...t=3776&start=0

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

That statement has little to nothing to deal with the argument. Mr. Toriyama explained that he gives the rough designs and shells for the anime to run with. For example, he’ll create a few characters by request of the Animation Studios, and then give a few brief ideas of how this character should be worked into the Movie / Special / Filler, etc. Meaning, he doesn’t say anything of the sort that he wants this character to fire a Chi blast at another. Same goes for any brief, one or two minute mini-events, he gives the roughs for the anime. As a matter of fact, if you look a bit later in the article, a question is raised concerning such. Mr. Toriyama then replies with a reference to Bubbles (Or was it Gregory?) and how he gave the idea for that particular character to be used in Goku’s training, not the ‘Catch me if you can (Or Bonk me on the Head) concept.’



Also, refer to him with respect, as it’s only common courtesy.

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Final Ultima

Here is another interview from Mr. Toriyama on where he see's the Anime!

Quotes from Toriyama:

Q: What does the Z in Dragonball Z stand for? (Most of us know that the Z was only used in the anime and it was just an index to separate Goku as a kid and Goku as an adult. But check out the response from Toriyama-san).

A: I was starting to run out of things for Dragonball and I really wanted to finish the series. So I thought that if I put a Z at the end of Dragonball, people would think that it was going to end soon!

Q: How would you position the Dragon Ball Z anime (TV series)?

A:I consider the TV animation to be in "one dimension" with the Manga. I have what I call Canon, which is the TV series and the original, printed comic edition works that are directly tied into continuity.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t...ma-interviews/

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Darkprince410

Regardless, there are elements in filler that openly contradict what he writes in the manga, and he let Toei take liberties with how they approach filler scenes to the point that when he is asked about some of them in interviews, he admits he has no idea what they are talking about. For example, one of the interviews he did for Shonen Jump, he was asked who he thought was stronger between Paikuhan and Pikkoro. His response was that he had no idea who Paikuhan was, and when shown a character sketch he had made of the character for Toei, he said that he recognized the drawing, but he had done nothing else with the character than just that.

Besides, that interview has been proven to be a fake. It was Toei that implimented the Z as a way of distinguishing the Dragonball anime from the Z anime (because they are oriented differently, with DB aimed more towards comedy and Z aimed more towards action) because Toriyama-sensei didn't separate them, as he considered them to be a single continual story, not separate pieces.

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Final Ultima

1. The thing about Mr. Toriyama adding the Z is REAL ( As I said this was implemented in a shonen Jump magazine)!

http://www.unrivaled.info/anime/drag...arty/qanda.htm

2. My point to you was that Toriyama states the Anime as canon, I also showed you where he said he was involved in filler (scenes that are not in the manga). Toriyama considers the Anime canon and that was really my point.

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Darkprince410

Considering that the interview that you pulled that information from is fake, then your point is invalid. The interview you posted the link to just now is likewise fake, because on numerous occassions he has admitted that he favors Kuririn over Gokuu as his favorite character. I also established that despite what you believe, his involvement in filler scenes isn't anywhere near that pronounced, as apart from basically giving Toei character sketches he's come up with (he doesn't have names or anything for them, just simply design sketches) and says to them that they can do whatever they want with it from there. That's why he didn't recognize Paikuhan's name, despite it being a character he originally created. He doesn't sit down and help them write the storyline for filler scenes, he basically just gives them a very general guideline to work with (like "No main characters have died between this and this point" or "So and so will change how he looks between this and this point") He doesn't tell them what stories to have happen during the filler scenes, and this is quite obvious because of all the contradictions incurred by filler scenes.

The "thing" about Toriyama-sensei adding the Z is not real, because it has openly been stated multiple times that Toei was the one that separated them first, and Toriyama-sensei eventually went along with separating DB from DBZ when in reference to the anime. But because he wrote the story to be a single continuous one rather than multiple sections, he never referred to the manga by using "Z" and never did he take credit for being the first to coin "Z" for the anime.

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What do DBZ characters do when they come across an enemy way too strong or they have no original attacks? THEY HURL THEM INTO THE SUN. Eg, Cooler, Broly. Broly withstood knife-abuse as a day old infant. He can't survive the sun. What kind of heat do atomic bombs produce? Not quite as hot but very close, I highly doubt an a bomb would leave any character from DBZ unaffected.

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Final Ultima

Incorrect! All of the interviews are real and they are not fake. You are merely going off your own opinion! I am sorry, but Mr. Toriyama's words are stated in black and white while you merely go off your own opinion. Just because you want it your way doesn't mean it is going to happen.
Otherwise back up your claims please and don't merely pass your own opinion as fact.


With respect to the opinion at hand, it's something that was stated in black and white; in Toriyama's interview.

You're certainly free to form your own opinion, but it's within the realm of fanficton, as are all YOUR other theories.

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Darkprince410

I don't skew facts to support my theories, as many people on these forums can attest to. You are basing your entire arguments on "interviews" that have been proven time and time again to be fakes, then have the audacity to say that I'm the one making things up? You want evidence to support that Toriyama-sensei had little involvement in filler scenes? I'll give you one that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Toei's filler openly contradicts what he writes, and therefore couldn't be considered canon. In multiple filler scenes after the Seru Saga (as well as a few instances before), beings in hell (specifically the major villains) were shown with their bodies intact causing all kinds of chaos, which openly contradicts what Pikkoro states to Ma-jin Bejiita about how things will be like for him in hell, in that those souls sent to hell do not retain their bodies.

If Toriyama-sensei were nearly as involved as you believe that he is in filler scenes, why would he allow such a blatant contradiction of what he wrote show up in the anime? Simple, he isn't involved much at all, with his only real contributions being the character sketches (which as I said, he doesn't create the story for) that he allows Toei to use for whatever reason they want. Then come back to what I mentioned more than once about Paikuhan, in that he didn't recognize the name of the character at all, despite that he had designed him. To Toriyama-sensei, that's all Paikuhan was to him, a character sketch without a story behind it, not a powerful fighter from the Western Galaxy that the anime depicts him as being.

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Final Ultima

1. You said that the Interviews are fakes, DESPITE them having sources to back them up, so yes, you did make that up.

2. I want you to prove that Toriyama's words from the interviews are fake please? Despite him saying that he writes the "story line for scenes not in the manga," despite the fact that he considers the Anime in the "same dimension" with the Manga.

You can call out the many contradictions as you want but It's just that there are several ideas presented that contradict that which is no fault of your own and not your place to explain. It's Akira Toriyama's. I go by his words and that is how I see it.

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Darkprince410

I can answer both questions with a single answer. No one has been able to find a legitimate original version of any of the interviews that you've posted (this is far from the first time that people have sited those interviews as a basis for fact, so there has been plenty of time to search for them) as well as the fact that what are said in those "interviews" are contradicted by what is stated and shown not only in the manga, but by other interviews of Toriyama-sensei's (so that's two sources against one). The "sources" for the interviews you posted can be (and in these cases are) faked, and it's been shown repeatedly many times that it's not hard to forge an interview (excluding these, I've seen at least a dozen "interviews" by Toriyama-sensei that have turned out to be fakes, whether by the author's own eventual admission or, like in these cases, contradictions in what is said in comparison to what is said at other times). Unless an original copy (as in scanned right from the magazine or comic) is found, pretty much no interview on here could be posted without being scrutinized thoroughly.

They aren't Toryama's mistakes, because they aren't his ideas. They are the ideas of some "fan" out there that thinks he's funny by falsifying interviews (why? I dunno, could be that he wanted to try and prove a point, so he faked it so he could say, "Oh but look, Toriyama-sensei wrote this, so I'm right!" or because he was just bored and wanted to see how far it would go).

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mAIOR

SSJ2 Vegeto - "he didn't specify anything like that..he even mentioned a crater..it's
a nuclear detonation - a short burst of power. It's not a solid sphere
of energy or a beam that can penetrate anything - it's a release of
energy."

Ok let me put it this way; what he meant was, if you focused the entire blast as a "piercing beam" it'd still not be nearly as powerfull as it would require to destroy this planet.
And, you'd need the bomb to explode right on the core to cause some unbalance wich might lead to the planet explosion.

Now, as me and Ultimate Sayia-jin5 have been saying, there is no nuclear device at present time with enough raw power to destroy the Earth.
We're still years from developing some thing like that.


Cheers...