Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games

deckzone3000 · 09-12-2007

What level of super saiyan do you think they are when fighting the cell jrs?

I think Vegeta and Trunks were just SSJ.

They don't have the same muscle definition like they did as ASSJ(SSJ type 2).

I also think it fits better when it comes to power levels. If they were ASSJ(SSJ type 2), that would pretty much mean Piccolo > SSJ Vegeta/Trunks, but I think it's the other way around after Vegeta and Trunks go through the time chamber a second time.

Lord Saiyan · 09-12-2007

they were mastered super saiya jins....but were weaker than Goku off course.....

Broly · 09-12-2007

No they weren't. They were Super Saiyans.

Majin Vegeta · 09-12-2007

They Weren't either MSSJ or ASSJ. They were just Super Saiyajin.

LegendaryBroli · 09-12-2007

I think they were ascended Saiyans stage 2 maybe close to master Super Saiyans but I don't think they were just plain Super Saiyans

**Darkprince410** · 09-12-2007

Their muscle mass and auras in different panels of the manga suggest that not to be the case, as they lack both the defined muscle mass as well as the particular aura that all the characters in the Ssj 2nd Grade state have exhibited.

SRP76 · 09-12-2007

I see nothing that indicates them transforming beyond Super Saiyan. They turn Super Saiyan, and that's it.

Their Super Saiyan forms at the Cell Games were likely now powered-up to the levels they were at in their "higher" forms (the training in the Time Chamber must have produced some kind of results; they weren't just sitting around in there), but it still wasn't enough to compete with Cell.

LegendaryBroli · 09-12-2007

well I just dont see them in regular ssj form because what if they had to step in against cell?

SRP76 · 09-12-2007

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Originally Posted by Super_17

well I just dont see them in regular ssj form because what if they had to step in against cell?

They'd get beat on (like Vegeta) or killed (like Trunks). Every single panel, they're in regular Super Saiyan form. You've seen their so-called "ascended" forms. They stick out like a sore thumb. If they were using them, it would have been very obvious.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 09-12-2007

I was always of the impression that both of them have bulky muscles (even if not quite as bulky as they were against 'Incomplete' Cell in his 2nd stage, noticeably more bulky than the regular SS form); which should answer your question. While the SS Type 2 and Type 3 states were proved ineffectual in ominous sentiments, Type 3 was proved much moreso ineffectual - there was no speed decrease with the Type 2 state, and if anything an augmentation in that facet. If Vegeta could just multiply his power level a few fold through the Type 2 state against the Cell Juniors that he had a battle on equal footing with, then I think that would put an end to the battle.
Only the Type 3 state was proven the most ineffectual, with Complete Cell demonstrating on the fly how mortifyingly wrong Mirai Trunks was about using the state in question. If neither of them mastered the SS state (which they didn't, obviously, as they were lambasted and taken aback by the sheer power and explosiveness of said power that both MSS Goku and Complete Cell wielded alone), then, well... while I could see the inveiglement of why they'd revert to the normal SS form? I think they were in SS Type 2 due to exhibiting bulky muscles and all of the aforementioned.

Elite Prince · 09-17-2007

Hm. Perhaps I was of one of the two and you people couldn't tell. *smirk*

Devilz · 09-17-2007

They were both SSJ. I think they gave up on the ASSJ/USSJ forms and tried to reach MSSJ like Goku and Gohan, but didn't quite make it there.

09-12-2007	#1 (permalink)
deckzone3000 (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 692 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8	Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games What level of super saiyan do you think they are when fighting the cell jrs? I think Vegeta and Trunks were just SSJ. They don't have the same muscle definition like they did as ASSJ(SSJ type 2). I also think it fits better when it comes to power levels. If they were ASSJ(SSJ type 2), that would pretty much mean Piccolo > SSJ Vegeta/Trunks, but I think it's the other way around after Vegeta and Trunks go through the time chamber a second time. __________________ Gohan during the cell games is a KID! Gohan during the buu saga is a TEEN!

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Lord Saiyan (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: India Posts: 1,016 Rep Power: 6	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games they were mastered super saiya jins....but were weaker than Goku off course..... __________________ I AM THE RULER OF ALL SAIYANS!

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games No they weren't. They were Super Saiyans. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Majin Vegeta (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 797 Rep Power: 3	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games They Weren't either MSSJ or ASSJ. They were just Super Saiyajin. __________________ My Name is Bejita. And I Have Come After You. You Are Mine Kakarotto. Final Shine.

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LegendaryBroli (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 3,270 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 20	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games I think they were ascended Saiyans stage 2 maybe close to master Super Saiyans but I don't think they were just plain Super Saiyans __________________ row row fight da power!

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Darkprince410 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,998 Rep Power: 52	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games Their muscle mass and auras in different panels of the manga suggest that not to be the case, as they lack both the defined muscle mass as well as the particular aura that all the characters in the Ssj 2nd Grade state have exhibited. __________________

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SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 39	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games I see nothing that indicates them transforming beyond Super Saiyan. They turn Super Saiyan, and that's it. Their Super Saiyan forms at the Cell Games were likely now powered-up to the levels they were at in their "higher" forms (the training in the Time Chamber must have produced some kind of results; they weren't just sitting around in there), but it still wasn't enough to compete with Cell.

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LegendaryBroli (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 3,270 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 20	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games well I just dont see them in regular ssj form because what if they had to step in against cell? __________________ row row fight da power!

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games I was always of the impression that both of them have bulky muscles (even if not quite as bulky as they were against 'Incomplete' Cell in his 2nd stage, noticeably more bulky than the regular SS form); which should answer your question. While the SS Type 2 and Type 3 states were proved ineffectual in ominous sentiments, Type 3 was proved much moreso ineffectual - there was no speed decrease with the Type 2 state, and if anything an augmentation in that facet. If Vegeta could just multiply his power level a few fold through the Type 2 state against the Cell Juniors that he had a battle on equal footing with, then I think that would put an end to the battle. Only the Type 3 state was proven the most ineffectual, with Complete Cell demonstrating on the fly how mortifyingly wrong Mirai Trunks was about using the state in question. If neither of them mastered the SS state (which they didn't, obviously, as they were lambasted and taken aback by the sheer power and explosiveness of said power that both MSS Goku and Complete Cell wielded alone), then, well... while I could see the inveiglement of why they'd revert to the normal SS form? I think they were in SS Type 2 due to exhibiting bulky muscles and all of the aforementioned. __________________

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Elite Prince (4) Turtle School Disciple Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vegeta-Sei Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Re: Vegeta and Trunks during the cell games Hm. Perhaps I was of one of the two and you people couldn't tell. smirk __________________