Originally Posted by Gogeta the Super Fusion

AS much as a Ultimate gohan fgan i am, i have a question. Is
he even THAT Strong? Sure he Whiooped super buu's butt into China, but
I think fans are over estimating him.
Well first, he did
kill Freeza in one punch blast but so could any one from andriod saga
and above. However, he couldnt even hit Hiruldragn's first form
and was too fast for Ultimate Gohan. But ss3 gotenks hurt
Hiruldragn so much that Hiruldragn had to transform. Gohan also couldnt
even harm super buu gotenks and was out matched and he culdnt even see
him. but Goku was able to hit buu. But gohan actully hit his gut and I
geuss buu spat so buu was trying to avoid Gohan;'s hits, but not
Goku's, bbecause Goku's attack wouldnt do anything to him. so
Gohan>>>>>>>>>.Goku at that point. bUt
Goku was able to beat Hiruldragon's strongest formand tossed Gohan
aside like he was a fly. So I think the fans are over estimating
Gohan's Ultimate form.

Originally Posted by stefzed54

Saiyans get stronger from zenkais, not battles.

Originally Posted by Majuub666

Sorry mate, your arguments are all fillers or movies. Gotenks is weaker than Gohan but not by much, since Gohan completely owned Super Buu and Buutenks was leagues ahead of Gohan, even with Piccolo's intellect Gohan didn't even manage to land a single blow on him, that means Gotenks give him a lot of power, so Gotenks musn't be that far from Gohan.

Yeah, Goku received the Toei power up which makes him stronger than any unfused character. The facts are,

Strongest unfused character from the manga=Gohan

Strongest unfused character from the anime and movies=Goku

So, in the canon-universe Chou Gohan is the strongest unfused character, you can say fans give him too much credit if they watch the anime but you can't say they give him too much credit if they watched the manga, he kicked Super Buu's ass quite easily after all.

Originally Posted by LegendarySSj7

Um... it's not that we wanted Gohan to get beyond recognition or accentuation, we just wanted Toriyama-sensei to break away from normally making Goku the 'hero', the kernel of influence, and the flurry of creativity that changes everything. Gohan was a 'genuinely' concerned and caring character who fought in earnest in comparison, and titles like ''The Tables Turn" and "Let's Go, Son Gohan!" alone alluded to the resulting epic of sorts. A normal-toned closure would have been nice (something more than just random craters and pretty explosions being made out of the immediate area, or exterior, if you prefer), and however good fusion was it showed a lack of freshened ideas. To see Gohan wasn't unnecessary when all was said and done was probably a way to get what we yielded for. Which was subdued in the subsequent Saga arc (Boo Saga Arc, obviously).
That aside, Ultimate Gohan was much stronger than SS3 Gotenks, who to me was just the unaltered Majin Boo II's equal... where he found his peer. I don't see him doing anything that merits a lengthy gap. It's just Chibi Trunk's attitude that reflected how he would rather have the gap - in this case, it was sheer uppity. And Gohan thrashed Majin Boo II pretty thoroughly and effortlessly after having his latent power drawn out by Rou Kaioshin. Notice if we adhere to the + formula... in this case, for an example: Gohan being at 9,000,000,000,0000, and both SS3 Gotenks and Majin Boo II being at 6,500,000,000,000, that 6.5 trillion + 6.5 trillion = 13 trillion, which is far above 9 trillion, while still keeping 'true' to the lengthy gap by second recollection, all-around, without it subsiding. As for the non-canon movies... yes, they don't pertain to a thread in the canon forum in full and are rather inane to make the attempt at guaging.

Originally Posted by Majuub666

Exactly what I meant but I was in a early so I had to make a quick post.

You see, Chou Gohan isn't that far from SSJ3 Gotenks, he is like 1.40x stronger (Well accordint to your theory which is pretty accurate). I would place Gotenks SSJ3 a little above Super Buu since Gotenks was thrashing him pretty good, Majin Buu said he was waiting for Gohan and played with Gotenks all along but we all know that he is a cocky bastard. He said that only Gohan was stronger than him, but Chou Buu also thought he was stronger than Vegeto, he learned that he wasn't the hard way. I would put 6,500,000,000,000 for Majin Buu and 7,000,000,000,000 for SSJ3 Gotenks. We all saw how much overpowered Gotenks was, since Buu is boastful he will say from a fighter a little stronger than himself that he is stronger, the only way for him to at least think you are stronger than him, is to beat him so bad that he will forget who he is.

The power of Gotenks and Chou Gohan are not that far since it's only a 1.40x multiplier, the gap looks huge since we are talking about trillions but their power is now so great that for a real diffrence in power we would have to had a 3-4x multiplier to have an enormous gap. Exemple:

1-100, 100 is 10x 100, so the 1 would get thrash like a ragdoll they only have a 99 power difference though.

But look at that 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,099 they still have a gap of 99 but the weaker could still kill the stronger, that's what I meant, Chou Gohan's power is like 1,50x or at most 2x, you can see that the power gap is still there, but it's not THAT enormous.