MajinVegeta617

Yes I think he can.

Vivi

@ Broly:
I'd like to see the exact quote saying how he's always had it. If worded neutrally then it could obviously mean he had the potential to obtain it and not just the power in the first place. So unless I see this evidence against my theory I stand by it.
Though, there is one thing that would be a hole in my theory. That is that Cooler was pwned by a ssj; so the fifth form isn't as powerful as Frieza's final. Unless of course Cooler is just weaker in general and all of Frieza's forms are more powerful.

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Broly

There's something you must fully understand first. Freeza and Cooler's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th forms [along with their 1st state as well] are not transformations they are suppressions of their real form and their real power. Their "transformations" are actually unveilings of their true power. Cooler simply says in the movie that he can transform once more than his brother. These are Cooler's words from the Japanese monologue:

Cooler: "One more time. I am able [nothing says that he found it] to transform myself one time more than my brother."

In that statement he says nothing of finding it, only of being able to go into it. In meaning, Cooler's 5th state is his true state-his full power.



About Cooler being completely pwned...consider this: Movie 5 is like the story of Goku if he had killed Freeza, escaped Planet Namek and made it back to Earth without crash landing on Yardrat. Now, in the movie he is severly damaged and later recieves a Zenkai during the end-which of course boosted his PL way up. So, he's a lot stronger than he was on Namek.

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G-lord

^ I agree. I think Frieza mentioned that he used the Henshin technique to economise his power. Zarbon used it in order to make himself look beautiful (at least, in the translation I watched).

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Saturnine

I don't think that Cooler's 5th form is his "real" or "true" form. Technically the 4th form is his true, just like in Frieza's case. Cooler's 5th form is a way to enhance his true form, a transformation beyond it. It is unlike other forms which are suppressions, this is an enhancement, a level higher than his true form.

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Majuub

The answer is obvious, he said that he wasn't fighting at 100% of his power, it means he knew what his true power was, so in order to knew his true power he had to transform to his last form to know what it was. I think when he became meca frieza he couldn't revert because the metal seems to be attached to his body so i don't think it would morph in order to adapt into other body frames. I am still not sure, but i think he can revert.

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Broly

But Cooler is not Freeza. Some people are born stronger than others and I believe that this is the case here. As I mentioned before, he only tells of his ability to go into his fifth state. He never says that he found it or unlocked it through hard training or anything. With the knowledge we have from Freeza about suppressions I think it's safe to say that Cooler was masking his true form with his 1st suppresion, or his 4th state as others refer to it.

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Saturnine

Frieza and Cooler are different brothers, that's clear. But the thing to begin with, is that the "true" form is the one a Changeling was born in. Frieza was born in his 4th - True form. Cooler's 4th form is very similar, and this fact suggests that Cooler's form 4 is also his True. Do you really think Cooler could be born in his 5th, which is clearly an enhanced option of the 4th?

Another thing: Frieza cannot revert from his true form directly to the preceding - 3rd. He'd have to go to his 1st and then work his way up again. And Cooler can go from his 4th to 5th and vice versa at will, as he states himself ("when that happened, I transformed" - when he says it he is most certainly in his 4th). The conclusion is that his 4th form is essentialy the true one, because if he transforms further, he can go back with little effort, while Frieza cannot go back from his 4th to the 3rd. I am also sure that Cooler would also be unable to revert to his third form - due to a huge nature of the form (provided that it's similar to Frieza's). He would need to go to his 3rd suppression directly, that is what makes the most sense.

So I think that Cooler's 4th form can be classified as "true"...

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Broly

Just because Cooler's 4th form is similar to Freeza's doesn't mean that he was born in the same state. That has nothing to do with it. You're looking at all this backwards. His 5th form is not an enhancement of his 4th state, his 1st suppression is his true form modified physically to suppress his real power. It's the other way around. And yes, I believe Cooler was born in his 5th form, his real state.

I'm using the japanese version which is the purest form of the movie. So you might want to forget about the english version.

There's nothing that says Freeza cannot revert back to his suppressions. That's the form's purpose, there's no logic in thinking he can't.

So no, Cooler's True State is his 5th form.

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LegendarySSJ7

Not exactly. The Japanese version has flaws of its own, which leads to flaws in thinking due to TOEI's baffling dialogue structure. It's inherently confounding and paints it as such - the notion of Coola even having a 5th state is rather contradictory when his previous states were meant to be 'suppressions' - the state we initially see him in (not particularly imposing in power or looks, like Imperfect Cell's 1st stage in a way [an accosting, random pitch] - nor was either one intended to be particularly imposing) is his most relaxed state. That he transforms into another behemoth of villainy in the visual sense was just TOEI's way of making him more imposing and giving him the lionshare of power in the sense that he was the antagonist anyplace above the protagonist and nothing more; the moments where Goku is above him are there (in the physical portion of the fight, in one sense of the word), just not rather interminable in nature.

As for this thread's subject of discussion? Yes, to be blunt. Freeza can revert back and transform at a whim, as he presumably made his own suppressions reach fruition to begin with.

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Saturnine

I didn't say that Frieza cannot revert his forms. I said that he can't go from his 4th directly to the 3rd, he would suppress himself to his 1st directly. The physical similarity of his forms 1st and 4th suggests so. Then he'd work his way up again. I find it impossible for him to go from his 4th form to his 3rd, because never ever did someone grow while losing power. the 3rd form is an enhanced 2nd and the 2nd is enhanced 1st, but the only means for Frieza to access them again is to go first directly to his 3rd suppression - the form we saw him in initially. As I said, I have no proof on it but this theory sounds like the only one to me.

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Broly

What makes you think Freeza can't regress directly to his 3rd or 2nd form from his true form? It's very obvious that he made them in order. First comes his 1st Suppresioned state, or his 3rd form. It seems logical that he made that state first because of the order in which things go. And that means that yes, he can go from his true state to his 1st and 2nd suppressions. There's no proof saying he can't do it.

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Anonymous

if friezas regular form is his final form. then did he get his weaker forms?

Darkprince410

It was stated that his earlier forms were a means of suppressing his power, since his true form's power was wildly unpredictable and, as shown in his fight with Ssj Gokuu, a strain for him to even reach, let alone maintain. His early forms could basically be considered just dams to hold back his immense power.

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