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Old 09-10-2007   #16 (permalink)
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The only time I know of when someone received a shot and didn't feel it; I think is when Raditz went against the farmer. I'm not sure if he was shot or not.
The problem with Radditz is that he caught the bullet; which in no way proves he is impervious. For him to catch it and flick it back with enough speed to kill indicates his ability to see through their speed and path. HOWEVER, the question arises: Does that mean Radditz was worried about it hitting him...?

With a PL of 206, Kuririn bleeded from Bulma's humorous rounds. Goku may have been weaker than that during RR. We have a mystery to solve.
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Old 09-11-2007   #17 (permalink)
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The fact that Raditz cought the bullet means either three of these things:

1. He was afraid of it hitting him. [which I think is highly unlikely because then I don't see how he survived any battles with Nappa and Vegeta taking out planets]

2. He moves faster than the average human and he can literally see the bullet moving in a slower speed than the norm of what we see.

3. He did it for some kicks.

I think it's #2 along with #3. Plus, I think even if he let it hit him...it wouldn't do anything.
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Raditz must be impervious. When you catch something, it's still hitting your hand/fingers. It hit his, and caused no damage.
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Say Super-Man threw a football at Terrel Owens. Now lets say Owens can somehow see the path. He catches it, and brings it to him like any good player. Does that mean he would be impervious if he misjudged and the ball hit him???
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No. Owens is NOT impervious, so he wouldn't be able to catch the ball. It would plow straight through his fingers, palms, and chest, and leave a big hole in him.

Kind of like how Elway used to break his receivers' fingers every so often.
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The point is if he can see the trajectory of the bullet he wouldn't have to be anything strong in order to simply reach out and gently grab it. The bullet can't do any damage if it has no momentum. [which it does, but to Raditz the bullet appears to be moving slowly]
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Radditz could take the bullet in dragonball volume 13 page 69, final pannel a guard shots at Piccolo and on the first panel of page 70 he is shown unharned. Radditz also took a blast from Piccolo who was a moon destroyer so I can saftley say Raditz would be unharmed. Kuririn bleeding was a gag scence it was shown that all a bullet did to Goku at the start of Dragonball was knock him down.
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Radditz could take the bullet in dragonball volume 13 page 69, final pannel a guard shots at Piccolo and on the first panel of page 70 he is shown unharned. Radditz also took a blast from Piccolo who was a moon destroyer so I can saftley say Raditz would be unharmed. Kuririn bleeding was a gag scence it was shown that all a bullet did to Goku at the start of Dragonball was knock him down.
Then why did the bullets bounce of Gray Buu but go through Super Buu...? Piccolo is a mystical being and the off-shoot of a God. He might be in a whole 'nother category.

Radditz didn't take the bullet, he caught it. Roshi is shown to bleed from bullets, but in RR, he caught them and asked comically "Weren't you shooting...?".
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I was just thinking, A nuclear bomb wouldn't destroy the moon or a mountain . Master Roshi blew up part of the moon with a kamehameha and Piccolo easily blew up a mountain with a special beam canon. So in terms of force, you would need a much lower level to survive a nuclear blast perhaps....

Nappa's blast on the city, it destroyed an area much like a nuclear bomb.
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There are effects of a nuclear explosion though that no ki blast has been shown to match (i.e. the heat and the radiation) and thus no idea as to how strong a person would be to be able to survive every aspect of a nuclear explosion (if they could survive at all) If we were just talking about the concussive force produced by a nuclear explosion, then I agree, it wouldn't take a very high power level to survive it, but since no member of the Z Senshi (or any other canon character for that matter) have withstood heat even remotely close to that of a nuclear explosion (Gokuu being the closest during the Furiiza Saga), and no one has even come across radiation, we can't say that they'd necessarily be able to survive it.
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1. I would imagine the evil Buu's body was solid as opposed to the gun like bodies of the other buu. considering he was a different color then the others Buus it stands to reason his body might be different then the body of Buu's other forms.

2. As I mentioned Bulma's bullet did to Goku in the start of dragonball was knock him down, yet in a gag scene Lunch was able to put holes in him with a bullet. The bullets peircing Kuririns skin were cleary a joke.

3. considering that being a god means nothing in dragonball strength wise and has never given duribility in any other aspect why should bullets be any different. Also Kami may have been classified as a God but the fact is he was in truth still just a namek.

4. Radditz took a blast that could wipe out the moon. So in terms of duribility Radditz>>Moon. As far as power needed to destroy the moon goes

Moon destroying>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bullet.

5. Just because Radditz cought the bullet doesn't mean the need to unless your going to claim that base Buu arc Son Gohan can't take a bullet just because he cought one. A good example is this if someone threw a blade of grass at me I might catch it, not because I can't withstand it but because its one very resonable option, The Radditz catching the bullet situation could easily be the same.
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hey look what i found!

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that should answer your questions
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Unfortunately that list is nowhere near accurate on just about everything they have listed in there. Some of the biggest problems with it that I saw was

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Small Moon/Huge City/Rocky Mountains: 800
Kamesen'nin is shown in Dragonball firing off a Kamehameha at full power that destroyed the moon. Now while I'm not going to say that he wasn't strong or anything, there is no way that Kamesen'nin came close to a power level of 800 when he did that. The only two beings that I believe came close to that level of power at any point in Dragonball was Gokuu and Pikkoro towards the very end, and even then I doubt they reached that high.


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Typical Planet (Earth): 3.200
If it only took a power level in the 3,000 range to be able to destroy an Earth sized planet, then there is no reason why Bejiita would have had to use the Gyarikku Ho (which pushed him into the 20,000+ range easily) in order to try to destroy the Earth, since any reasonable ki blast from him should have done it.

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Star (Sun): 25.600
No one has ever demonstrated the ability to destroy a star. While we know that it's easily possible given what some characters say (Seru's boasting that he can destroy the entire solar system for example), we're never shown an actual star destruction, so we can't venture to guess a reasonable lower limit.

The example damages section is absolutely stupid, since there's no way that the damage a rifle shot can produce is only 10 times weaker than that of an H-bomb, not to mention that a regular bomb is only 5 times weaker.

Likewise the Genki Dama power-up section is equally stupid, since it's not going to just multiply like that when ki for it is obtained. For example, going by that chart, if I were gathering ki for a Genki Dama and I already have gathered ki for it equal to a power level of 6,000, if I were to gather ki from a small city (we'll just say 20,000 people), the Genki Dama's power would jump to 30,000. However, if everyone in the city had an average power level of 5, and donated half their ki, the output would be 50,000, which would increase the Genki Dama's power level to 56,000.




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In order for Raditz to catch the bullet, he must apply a great enough frictional force to stop it's motion in a VERY short distance (between his fingers); this force would have to be enourmous. It would rely on two factors.

FRICTION = M*N, where N is the force applied to the bullet's surface and M is a quantitiy called the coefficient of friciton (no good way to find it other than experimental measure)

Unless his hands are HIDEOUSLY rough, he would have to apply a HUGE force to the sides of the bullet, which he is likely capable of.

As for characters that might survive a nuclear blast, I say that none will, regardless of power level; they'd all ultimately die of radiation poisoning.
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