.Teen Goten

Yeah, if Gohan fuse with Goku instead of Vegeta, their fusion form would be way stronger than Vegetto.

.Future_Trunks

QUOTE(SS2 Vegeto @ Aug 30 2005, 04:42 PM)
Not really, mystic Gohan is definitely A LOT stronger than Goku and Vegeta put together, even if they couldn't transform, there'd still be a bigger increase. But it's a fusion, so it probably would just give the fusion personality the mystic power up. But, once again, either could be stronger, because we don't know the size of the rivalry bonus. Fusing with Gohan would probably be better though, though no one can say for sure.




both goku and vegeta reached ssj2 and became stronger than kid gohan ssj2..

second mystic gohan won't have a much power increase because goku would have to stay in his base form just like gohan..

when you combine two max out ssj2 warriors they are way stronger than a mystic..

i mean vegetto defeated super buu gohan so i am sure the combined power of goku and vegeta can beat anything..

Gangsta SabZ

QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Aug 30 2005, 06:57 PM)
QUOTE(SS2 Vegeto @ Aug 30 2005, 04:42 PM)
Not really, mystic Gohan is definitely A LOT stronger than Goku and Vegeta put together, even if they couldn't transform, there'd still be a bigger increase. But it's a fusion, so it probably would just give the fusion personality the mystic power up. But, once again, either could be stronger, because we don't know the size of the rivalry bonus. Fusing with Gohan would probably be better though, though no one can say for sure.




both goku and vegeta reached ssj2 and became stronger than kid gohan ssj2..

second mystic gohan won't have a much power increase because goku would have to stay in his base form just like gohan..

when you combine two max out ssj2 warriors they are way stronger than a mystic..

i mean vegetto defeated super buu gohan so i am sure the combined power of goku and vegeta can beat anything..


If Chou (Mystic) Gohan >>> Ssj2 Vegeta

Then Goku fusing with Gohan rather than Vegeta would be the stronger fusion

.Future_Trunks

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If Chou (Mystic) Gohan >>> Ssj2 Vegeta

Then Goku fusing with Gohan rather than Vegeta would be the stronger fusion


but if goku fused with mystic gohan that means goku won't be able to access his ssj level.

just look at my theory here and you be the judge!

which is more power full?

mystic gohan + base goku

OR

ssj2 vegeta + ssj2 goku

Gangsta SabZ

QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Aug 30 2005, 07:17 PM)
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If Chou (Mystic) Gohan >>> Ssj2 Vegeta

Then Goku fusing with Gohan rather than Vegeta would be the stronger fusion


but if goku fused with mystic gohan that means goku won't be able to access his ssj level.

just look at my theory here and you be the judge!

which is more power full?

mystic gohan + base goku

OR

ssj2 vegeta + ssj2 goku


Goku and Vegeta were both at there base forms when they fused, but Vegito powered up to ssj later. Gokan would power up into either ssj or full power mystic.

.Future_Trunks

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Goku and Vegeta were both at there base forms when they fused, but Vegito powered up to ssj later. Gokan would power up into either ssj or full power mystic.


if goku wants to turn into a ssj then gohan won't be able to access his mystic power.

its like this.. either both goku and gohan turn into a ssj or stay in their base form..and the ideal thing for them is to stay in their base form so gohan can access his mystic power

.Angel of Music

i'd say ya. i dont know how that's turn out...father and son sharing the same body

Separate_From_Society

Future Trunks...You're being stupid. Potara fusion doesn't mean there are two people controlling one body. It means they become an entirely different person, and since Mystic is stronger than any Super Saiyan, I can only assume that Gokan would gain the powers of a Mystic fighter.

Who cares if you can't go SSJ if you have Mystic?

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"However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me a sense of obligation."

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Who cares if you can't go SSJ if you have Mystic?


the whole point of this topic is to know which fusion warrior will be stronger..

ssj2+ssj2 = more power than a mystic since ssj2 vegetto defeated super buu gohan!

mystic + base = not much power increase

.Son Gohan

QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Aug 30 2005, 08:13 AM)
QUOTE(Notorious @ Aug 30 2005, 04:54 AM)
What in the name of God are you talking about? The Mystic transformation is just like an SSJ transformation, or at least it works the same way. That's why Elder Kai said 'Just power up like you were going Super Saiyan' when Gohan asked how to use it. Where the hell are you getting this idea that Gohan's mystic properties wouldn't be involved with the fusion?

SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta are in now way stronger than Mystic Gohan you idiot.

Goku and Vegeta had to fuse in their base form...Yeah. So what of it? They could still do their transformations. If Gohan and Goku fused, it would mean that Gohan's Mystic form would...or at least should intertwine with the fusion's power, seeing as how Mystic doesn't drain chi.

Therefore it'd be Mystic Gokan, which would absolutely erase any purpose for Vegito.




in the manga.. the ritual was called a powa upsu (power up)

meaning it was not a transformtion.. plus the old kai ment to power up..that was just a dub error.. the mystic form is nothing but a power up to the limit and beyond.. it was never stated from the old kai that was a special transformation, he only said its a power up to the limit.

therefore..base gohan became stronger than his ssj2 level and if he turns ssj2 he won't access his mystic power up!



That one post just labeled you as a dumbass.

In the manga, it wasn't called a "Powa Upsu". That would be the romanized pronounciation, like "Ôzaru". Elder Kaioushin made it a permanant change, and it was not a dub error. No different from whenever Gohan received his potential awakened from the Namekian Guru. Elder Kaioushin asked Gohan to become a Super Saiya-jin, and instead, Gohan transformed into his Chou/Chao form. Yes, Gohan's potential was unleashed beyond it's natural limit.

And that last sentence... my god.

Chou Gohan has more potential than Goku. Therefore, if he's beyond his full potential, he's more powerful than a Super Saiya-jin 2. He can no longer become any of his Super Saiya-jin forms. This change is permanant. Deal with it, ya AF Believer.

EDIT: While the fusion between Goku and Gohan would be more powerful, it wouldn't live as long as Vegetto because of Gohan's Chou Form.

.Future_Trunks

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EDIT: While the fusion between Goku and Gohan would be more powerful, it wouldn't live as long as Vegetto because of Gohan's Chou Form.


hahaha..

you crack me up some times son gohan


how can mystic gohan + base goku would be much stronger than ssj2 goku and ssj2 vegeta??

it was stated that vegetto defeated super buu gohan.. vegetto is stronger than picolo, goten , trunks and mystic gohan power COMBIND.

that just shows you that ssj3 goku power is not far behind mystic gohan level.

oh i forgot to add super buu's power..

so its like this:

super buu+ mystic gohan + goten + trunks + picolo = weaker than ssj2 vegeta + ssj2 kakarrot

Separate_From_Society

How the fucking hell does that show that SSJ3 Goku is not far behind Mystic Gohan's level? Are you daft in the head?

Vegeto is a fusion, yes. But Vegeta and Goku's powers weren't just added together. They were put together and then multiplied an insane amount of times, and even had a rivalry bonus, which Elder Kai stated to add quite a large margin to their power. Vegito, in his BASE form is probably eons upon eons stronger than SSJ3 Goku, so don't even try that shit, boy.

And who the hell cares if Vegito SSj2 beat Buuhan? We never even saw Gokan, and he doesn't exist, so what the fuck are you trying to prove there? And it doesn't need to be stated...it happens...o-O

Mystic Gohan + Base Goku is stronger than SSj2 Goku and Vegeta because Mystic Gohan is far stronger than any SSj2. FAR.FAR.FAR. Stronger. And you can't make speculation like this. Yes, Goku and Vegeta could both go SSJ2. But whose to say the Mystic power would somehow block off any extra power? That would be stupid. A much more probable thing to say is that Gokan would be a Mystic fighter, as Gohan was. If not, then it wouldn't mean he wouldn't get SSJ or anything. I mean, you're putting no sense into your words.

In your last sentence.

ROFL.

You're saying if SSj2 Goku and Vegeta fought Buuhan at the same time they'd win!? HAH. That's so stupid I forgot to...well...insult you, I guess, out of pure pity.

Fusion does not just add their power together, you idiot. Learn that, and then maybe you can argue properly.

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How the fucking hell does that show that SSJ3 Goku is not far behind Mystic Gohan's level? Are you daft in the head?


ahh.. temper my friend.. you don't need to curse to win an argument..

now.. the reason ssj3 goku does not fall behind of the mystic power because the fusion of goku and vegeta was stronger than 5 fighters combined..should i say anymore??

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Vegeto is a fusion, yes. But Vegeta and Goku's powers weren't just added together. They were put together and then multiplied an insane amount of times, and even had a rivalry bonus, which Elder Kai stated to add quite a large margin to their power. Vegito, in his BASE form is probably eons upon eons stronger than SSJ3 Goku, so don't even try that s**t, boy.


they were multiplied?? hahahahaha..thats rich.. i never herd of that in my life.. from where did you get that?? i would like a manga scan to prove that please

the reason goku and vegeta can beat super buu gohan because they are the strongest fighters in the whole universe after mystic gohan is gone..and since they are rivals..they are even stronger..the potora has nothing to do with their extra power.. if gohan and goku fused they won't get that extra power since they are not rivals..

plus the old kai never says anything about a bonus or extra power.. its more like a perfect fusion.. and do you even know why the old kai would say that vegeta and goku were perfect fusion.. because they are both full blooded sayins and they can transform into a ssj..gohan has to stay in his base form to access his mystic power, so gohan can't transform into a ssj.

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And who the hell cares if Vegito SSj2 beat Buuhan? We never even saw Gokan, and he doesn't exist, so what the f**k are you trying to prove there? And it doesn't need to be stated...it happens...o-O


the whole topic was about proving who would be stronger..vegetto or the new fusion warrior between gohan and goku.. so i had to bring it up.

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Mystic Gohan + Base Goku is stronger than SSj2 Goku and Vegeta because Mystic Gohan is far stronger than any SSj2. FAR.FAR.FAR. Stronger. And you can't make speculation like this. Yes, Goku and Vegeta could both go SSJ2. But whose to say the Mystic power would somehow block off any extra power? That would be stupid. A much more probable thing to say is that Gokan would be a Mystic fighter, as Gohan was. If not, then it wouldn't mean he wouldn't get SSJ or anything. I mean, you're putting no sense into your words.


actually..the combind power of ssj2 vegeta and kakarrot defeated the combind power of super buu, mystic gohan, goten, trunks and picolo..

so its obvousily ssj2 vegeta + ssj2 goku > mystic gohan + base goku

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In your last sentence.

ROFL.

You're saying if SSj2 Goku and Vegeta fought Buuhan at the same time they'd win!? HAH. That's so stupid I forgot to...well...insult you, I guess, out of pure pity.


i never said that.. clear the dust on your eyes and read my prevouis post instead of just replying without thoughtfull thinking..

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Fusion does not just add their power together, you idiot. Learn that, and then maybe you can argue properly.


well.. adding power is part of fusion.. but thats not all.. i am sure you know what fusion is so i am not going to explain it..

Broly

QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Aug 31 2005, 03:44 AM)
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How the fucking hell does that show that SSJ3 Goku is not far behind Mystic Gohan's level? Are you daft in the head?


ahh.. temper my friend.. you don't need to curse to win an argument..

now.. the reason ssj3 goku does not fall behind of the mystic power because the fusion of goku and vegeta was stronger than 5 fighters combined..should i say anymore??

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Vegeto is a fusion, yes. But Vegeta and Goku's powers weren't just added together. They were put together and then multiplied an insane amount of times, and even had a rivalry bonus, which Elder Kai stated to add quite a large margin to their power. Vegito, in his BASE form is probably eons upon eons stronger than SSJ3 Goku, so don't even try that s**t, boy.


they were multiplied?? hahahahaha..thats rich.. i never herd of that in my life.. from where did you get that?? i would like a manga scan to prove that please

the reason goku and vegeta can beat super buu gohan because they are the strongest fighters in the whole universe after mystic gohan is gone..and since they are rivals..they are even stronger..the potora has nothing to do with their extra power.. if gohan and goku fused they won't get that extra power since they are not rivals..

plus the old kai never says anything about a bonus or extra power.. its more like a perfect fusion.. and do you even know why the old kai would say that vegeta and goku were perfect fusion.. because they are both full blooded sayins and they can transform into a ssj..gohan has to stay in his base form to access his mystic power, so gohan can't transform into a ssj.

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And who the hell cares if Vegito SSj2 beat Buuhan? We never even saw Gokan, and he doesn't exist, so what the f**k are you trying to prove there? And it doesn't need to be stated...it happens...o-O


the whole topic was about proving who would be stronger..vegetto or the new fusion warrior between gohan and goku.. so i had to bring it up.

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Mystic Gohan + Base Goku is stronger than SSj2 Goku and Vegeta because Mystic Gohan is far stronger than any SSj2. FAR.FAR.FAR. Stronger. And you can't make speculation like this. Yes, Goku and Vegeta could both go SSJ2. But whose to say the Mystic power would somehow block off any extra power? That would be stupid. A much more probable thing to say is that Gokan would be a Mystic fighter, as Gohan was. If not, then it wouldn't mean he wouldn't get SSJ or anything. I mean, you're putting no sense into your words.


actually..the combind power of ssj2 vegeta and kakarrot defeated the combind power of super buu, mystic gohan, goten, trunks and picolo..

so its obvousily ssj2 vegeta + ssj2 goku > mystic gohan + base goku

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In your last sentence.

ROFL.

You're saying if SSj2 Goku and Vegeta fought Buuhan at the same time they'd win!? HAH. That's so stupid I forgot to...well...insult you, I guess, out of pure pity.


i never said that.. clear the dust on your eyes and read my prevouis post instead of just replying without thoughtfull thinking..

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Fusion does not just add their power together, you idiot. Learn that, and then maybe you can argue properly.


well.. adding power is part of fusion.. but thats not all.. i am sure you know what fusion is so i am not going to explain it..



Actually, I think his name would be Hanku. And he would be stronger, Future trunks. this is why: Goku and Gohan are father and Son. Which would probably make the fusion stronger because they're related. And from what I understand, Hybrids [Gohan] are suppose to be stronger than full blooded saiyans[Vegeta]. Not only that, Mystic Form is way stronger than Super Saiyan 2. They would be much stronger than Vegeto. And You said the powers wouldnt multiply. thats not true, they do. See, when you give your energy over to someone, thats doubling your power. [like Movie 4 and Movie 8] But when two people fuse, their powers are mixed and intertwined together. So when you both go SS1 [Vegeto] it would be more like a SS4. Not only that, but the Potara earings have great power too. There powers dont just get increased from one anothers but also from the Earings as well, multiplying it even more.

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duh....Goku and Gohan fusing would be stronger than Vegeta fusing with Goku....

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