.Unknown_Super_Saiyan

SSj3 is the coolest but they didnt do anything really, but what realyy annoys me is the transformation of SSj4. In SSj3 the world was shaking and people in the netherworld could feels Goku's Ki, that must bin some seriuos s**t, but when Goku transformed into SSj4 there was a little earthquake and that was thati mean c'mon toei can't the world nearly asplode or somthin.

Anonymous

AT made a design for SSJ4 then TOEI made really horrible changes to it

And Gohan>>>>SSJ3 Gotenks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ2 Vegeta...........Vegeta was never stronger than a SSJ3 in DBZ

.Kamehame-fart

QUOTE(Gokuthealmightyone @ Feb 19 2005, 12:47 PM)
I love SSJ4. It's awesome, but I think it really should have stopped at SSJ3. I think they should have made SSJ4 accessable through fusions and left SSJ3 be the final stage for a single person (not fused). That would have made it more fun to watch because they could have only achieve that sort of power by fusing, and fusions don't last very long.




yeah something like that would work...

Crayne

IMO, the ssj stages could've stopped at ssj3, but I would allow ssj4 if it looked more like a ssj. I mean red hair in your body and to normal(=black) hair but a little longer? Nah, I don't think that ssj4 should be like that. But hey, it's only my opinion.

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.allanon

ssj3 should have definently been the last form. I just really didnt care for ssj4 and well ssj3 was just more interesting and way more cooler.

.Future_Trunks

ssj4 is the best level yet! and as i said before the sayins should look mean and routhless just like they use too when they were fighting the tsufuls!!

SS2 Vegeto

I think super saiyan 4 was awsome. It should definately be the last form of super saiyan though. It was Akira Toryiama's idea too. But all of the hair should have been golden. That would have been wicked....

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Duo

Does anyone have the original concept art for the Super Saiyan 4?

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.Giji_Goku

QUOTE(Duo @ Feb 25 2005, 10:01 PM)
Does anyone have the original concept art for the Super Saiyan 4?




Stand aside, Giji Goku is gonna explain it all to you.

First of all, if you must know Super Saiyan is a manifestation controlled and harnested life energy triggered by a high developed sensual emotion.

Think of it like this you become so angry that your energy starts to explode out of you, but controlling and stablizing that energy you are able to go Super Saiyan, or atleast something like super saiyan.

(I hope you are taking notes on this DBZ 100)

Well anyways, typically since no one should be able to go SSJ2, based on this principle, unless they were able to control the power of a super saiyan at a low power level, kinda like what Gohan and Goku were at once they had finished their training in the RoSaT. Well as we all know, that would pretty clarify who should and who shouldn't be able to go SSJ2. Which pretty much elimanates Vegeta as an actually being an SSJ2, since he had to go Majin in doing so.

There should be no way Goku could go SSJ2, considering the fact SSJ2 is super saiyan beyond super saiyan, which like super saiyan requires a high stressed emotional trigger. We don't see Goku ever experience such an event, and we don't see how such an event would occur, since he is obviously dead in the otherworld. But I can understand if Vegeta's evilness as a Majin was getting on Goku's nerves and that something Majin Vegeta had said, would cause Goku to get that needed charge in becoming a Super Saiyan 2. All true super saiyan ascensions require high emotional triggers, we all know this from SSJ2.

I sincerely doubt that Goku would ever have the capability in becoming a Super Saiyan 3. Considering what it takes to become a super saiyan 2, Goku would have to train probably for 2 or more years as super saiyan 2, trying to control it like he did in the Cell Saga with super saiyan. So he would be able to handle being a super saiyan 2 for a year's timespan. Considering that I doubt it would be possible for Goku to become SSJ3. I know he did in the anime and the manga, but considering the information in the previous sagas I doubt it would be possible, and don't forget that when people age they tend to ignore certain aspects of their own stories or theories.

But I do think it is possible for Gotenks to be a Super Saiyan 3 and possibly a Super Saiyan 4, since we do have proof a fused warrior can ascend through transformations with the slightest of ease. Moreover, I think it was Goten's anger at seeing his mother's death that allowed Gotenks into becoming an SSJ3.


Now to about GT, first of all GT is filler because it doesn't have a supporting manga, like the Otherworld Tournament and the Garlic Jr. Saga. And with having Goku as the main character it really only acts like additional DBZ filler sagas than an actual seperate series.

Black hair is in the normal form of a saiyan, therefore it is my belief that by transending out of Golden Oozarro, your retain an Oozarro figure, as being effected by the Blutz waves. But you don't go Oozarro, instead you go to some weird kind of transformation. I think this has to do with Golden Oozarro being a fused tranformation of Oozarro and Super Saiyan, therefore makes Golden Oozarro have certain aspects that would arise that shouldn't normally occur. Like Gotenks being able to skip past SSJ2. See where I am getting at. Nevertheless, once this happens, you then have an Oozarro saiyan, or you could call it Legendary Saiyan off of Vegeta's talk of the legendary super saiyan in the Namek Saga. Well anyways, as seen in Super Android 17 Saga, this form can harnest a Giji Super Saiyan likeness with a golden Aura, therefore fusion could correspond to a full golden hair and furred tranformation, the true legendary super saiyan.

I really don't think we should be calling it SSJ4, since it acts as a different transformation. And I do agree there are higher levels, but only accessable through fusion, since fusion seems to make transformations of higher forms much more easier. Like both Goten and Kid Trunks aren't even SSJ2's, but Gotenks can go SSJ3.

Duo

Your post was a combination of obvious facts, theories, and unfounded speculation.

I didn't learn a thing, all I wanted was AT's concept art.

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Blackmasta

woah woah woah. where was it stated that you need an emotional trigger to reach ssj2? it was stated that GOHAN needed rage to reach it, but nothing of the sort was stated for goku or vegeta.

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.Giji_Goku

From watching Majin Vegeta, Goku, and Teen Gohan. You obviously see the requirement. Its the indirect characterist of a character, if its not said then its by whats going on.

Majin Vegeta triggers SSJ2 from the evil magic of Babedi which enhances the power of the individual, and makes them more enraged, kind of mindless to say the least. Well, Goku was already frustrated at Majin Vegeta, and probably was just holding it in till he was in far away environment so he wouldn't have to sorry about innocent people being harmed. Get my drift.

Its the basic principles of characterization, indirectly it is shown. By the way its not speculation, its indirect characterization.

Well Duo, thick headed people can't learn anything, I hope that is what you had meant by that statement. Otherwise it seems rather pointless.

But the Buu saga is kind of entirely messed up, so I can get why it would make GT so stupid.

.Giji_Goku

Not in the manga he is.

Blackmasta

Vegeta was ssj2 before the majin charm. There's still nothing that says Goku and Vegeta needed rage to awaken ssj2.

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Blackmasta

I own the manga. Vegeta not flipping out when goku went ssj2 is proof alone that he was able to reach it before hand.

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