Goku Versus Gohan - Page 4

Hawkesy · 02-18-2005

SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said

Crispy Bacon · 02-18-2005

QUOTE(SSJ4_Mikael @ Feb 18 2005, 08:20 AM)
QUOTE(El_Diablo @ Feb 18 2005, 03:15 PM)
The movies suck and have no place in discussions

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corect me

if im wrong but aint anime manga in movie form???

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No none of the movies appear in manga form unless you count the Trunk's special.
Only the dragon fist is stronger than Gohan not Goku. Goku couldn't touch Hildegarn.
QUOTE(Hawkesy the Super Saiyan @ Feb 18 2005, 08:53 AM)
SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said

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Old Kai finished the ritual and was done for five minutes before Gohan asked if he was finished. Pleas provide a reason why Goku in super 4 is stronger than Gohan pushed beyond his natural limits.

**Darkprince410** · 02-19-2005

QUOTE(Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks @ Feb 18 2005, 05:51 AM)
But how could they know they'd return to size?

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How Gokuu knew whether or not they'd regain their size after leaving Buu doesn't really matter, since all that was important is that he did know. And I have proof taken from the the actual dub showing that he did.

Gokuu statement (audio format)

Not only that, but proof taken from the anime (yes, the anime), that shows that Gokuu knew he was weaker than Super Buu 1.

Gokuu statement 2 (audio format)

Abaddon · 02-19-2005

well i though they fought buu pretty well inside of him. still i think that kid buu is a lot stronger than buu-tenx. He even maneged to get controll over a super big spirit bomb. And when he fought Vegeta, Goku and Fat Buu he was just having fun and he could even regenetrade after destroying the earth.. super3 goku dint have a chanse agianst kid buu.. but so gohan woulnd be a match for him either.. i think it is something like this SSJ3 Goku = Mystic Gohan Yhey both thought good but when your taking it up to ssj4 gohan would be killed by a punch

.Gokuthealmightyone · 02-19-2005

I think it would be a stalemate between them. But still, I'm leaning more towards Goku, just for the fact that he is in SSJ4 form.

Abaddon · 02-19-2005

QUOTE(Gokuthealmightyone @ Feb 18 2005, 08:14 PM)
I think it would be a stalemate between them. But still, I'm leaning more towards Goku, just for the fact that he is in SSJ4 form.

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you think so well you terrible mistaken dont you get it mystic gohan was a bit stronger than goku in ssj3. Mystic Gohan could Super Kamehameha And Goku SSJ4 could Ultimate Kamehameha(10x Kamehameha). The fact is that that even full-power mystic gohan coulnt even dmg Goku SSJ4 even if they both wanted too

.Gokuthealmightyone · 02-19-2005

Well I did say I was leaning more towards Goku anyway. So I agree with you, Goku would win.

.gogeta the super fusion · 02-19-2005

Gohan. He stated to have the most potential than Goku. Old Kai relased all of gohan's potential. Mystic gohan is far stronger than Ss3 Goku. Gohan could hurt Ss4 Goku.

Crispy Bacon · 02-19-2005

QUOTE(SSJ4_Mikael @ Feb 18 2005, 01:11 PM)
well i though they fought buu pretty well inside of him. still i think that kid buu is a lot stronger than buu-tenx. He even maneged to get controll over a super big spirit bomb. And when he fought Vegeta, Goku and Fat Buu he was just having fun and he could even regenetrade after destroying the earth.. super3 goku dint have a chanse agianst kid buu.. but so gohan woulnd be a match for him either.. i think it is something like this SSJ3 Goku = Mystic Gohan Yhey both thought good but when your taking it up to ssj4 gohan would be killed by a punch

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You really don't know much do you. Gohan was wasting Super Buu without firing one ki blast. Goku wouldn't even fight Super Buu with the help of Vegeta. Right? There that means Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Gohan is a hybrid such as a liger which is better than a tiger and a lion. Gohan in turn is part saiyan and part human and thus is potentially better than both. Gohan with his potential pushed beyond its limits is stronger than Goku if he had his potential pushed beyond its limits, and that would be stronger than super form 4.

Duo · 02-19-2005

QUOTE(SSJ4 Mikael)
Now to tell you all. In anime Goku SSJ3 was beginng to be weaker than mystic gohan. Mystic Gohan is some kind of SSJ2 with Unlocked Potential He's calld mystic cos he dont show any signs of strengh..

'Mystic' Gohan is a fan term, and he's not some kind of SS2. He is the Base Form of Gohan, because his Base Form can access all of his Bodies potential power and even more due to the Old Kai's COMPLETED Ritual, which was 5 minutes overtime.

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Still after Buu's saga Goku and Vegeta are beaten real bad.. And after that in the movie Hillegarn Goku SSJ3 is Proven to be stronger than Mystic Gohan.

The Movies are Non-canon as in they aren't part of the Original Story, and as such, don't have grounds in this argument because it Contradicts the truth.

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I think for each SSJ lvl you optain you get 50x stronger

False Speculation.

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SSJ = 50x pl (he had to go stronger than 20x Kaioken to beat Freeza 50% and Freeza 100% = 2x Freeza 50% so stronger than KaiOken 40x)

Goku's Super Saiyan Multiplier changes as he gets stronger. In the Buu Saga he only gets about 3 times stronger from transforming, and this is why.

Yakons Kili Level is read at 800 and SS Goku is read at 3000. Base Goku was already stronger than Yakon so he would be about 1000.

Also, Vegeta's power level at the end of the Freeza Saga was within range of Goku at KKx10, and that would make his SS like...10x stronger than Goku's, which doesn't make any sense at all. Vegeta only gets about 3-5 times stronger from transforming.

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SSJ2 = 2,500x pl (Gohan were far stronger than anything else when he beat cell and piccolo sensed that majin vegeta have the same kind of power when he fought buu)

Rubbish! Super Saiyan Goku fought and did decent against Majin Vegeta before he transformed, so SS2 is only about twice as strong as SS.

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SSJ3 = 125,000x pl (No one of the Z-fighters had sense anything like it when goku first tranceformed even the whole planet were shaking when he transformed)

If this were true, Goku would have insinerated Fat Buu in an instant. Think about it, Vegeta's self destructing Blew Buu apart, and Self Destruction is just the maximum output of your Ki and Life Force.

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SSJ4 = 6,250,000x pl (Goku SSJ4 could do 10x Kamehameha almost hw many times he wanted and that one 10 timed the Power of the org kamehameha and vegeta used big bang attack(take a lot of power to do) a lot when he fought Omega Shenron)

Wrong again. SS4 is exactly 10x stronger than Super Saiyan.

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why allways 50x? cos if it were like 10x the power goku would just do SuperKaiOKen20 at perfect cell and destroyed him and stuff like that (ps he did super KaiOKen at Piccon)

Kaiokan isn't used after the Freeza Saga, so it isn't a factor in these debates.

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So SSJ4 Goku would MURDER Mystic Gohan in a couple of 0,0000000001sec's

No.

QUOTE(Hawkesy the Super Saiyan)
SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said

Try reading the thread so far before you post such ignorance. Old Kai finished the Ritual, and was 5 minutes overtime. Gohan has great potential than Goku, and Gohan would destroy any form of Goku.

Oh, and Darkprince, thats totally awesome!

Abaddon · 02-19-2005

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Originally Posted by Duo,Feb 18 2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Mikael

Now to tell you all. In anime Goku SSJ3 was beginng to be weaker than mystic gohan. Mystic Gohan is some kind of SSJ2 with Unlocked Potential He's calld mystic cos he dont show any signs of strengh..

'Mystic' Gohan is a fan term, and he's not some kind of SS2. He is the Base Form of Gohan, because his Base Form can access all of his Bodies potential power and even more due to the Old Kai's COMPLETED Ritual, which was 5 minutes overtime.

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Still after Buu's saga Goku and Vegeta are beaten real bad.. And after that in the movie Hillegarn Goku SSJ3 is Proven to be stronger than Mystic Gohan.

The Movies are Non-canon as in they aren't part of the Original Story, and as such, don't have grounds in this argument because it Contradicts the truth.

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I think for each SSJ lvl you optain you get 50x stronger

False Speculation.

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SSJ = 50x pl (he had to go stronger than 20x Kaioken to beat Freeza 50% and Freeza 100% = 2x Freeza 50% so stronger than KaiOken 40x)

Goku's Super Saiyan Multiplier changes as he gets stronger. In the Buu Saga he only gets about 3 times stronger from transforming, and this is why.

Yakons Kili Level is read at 800 and SS Goku is read at 3000. Base Goku was already stronger than Yakon so he would be about 1000.

Also, Vegeta's power level at the end of the Freeza Saga was within range of Goku at KKx10, and that would make his SS like...10x stronger than Goku's, which doesn't make any sense at all. Vegeta only gets about 3-5 times stronger from transforming.

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SSJ2 = 2,500x pl (Gohan were far stronger than anything else when he beat cell and piccolo sensed that majin vegeta have the same kind of power when he fought buu)

Rubbish! Super Saiyan Goku fought and did decent against Majin Vegeta before he transformed, so SS2 is only about twice as strong as SS.

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SSJ3 = 125,000x pl (No one of the Z-fighters had sense anything like it when goku first tranceformed even the whole planet were shaking when he transformed)

If this were true, Goku would have insinerated Fat Buu in an instant. Think about it, Vegeta's self destructing Blew Buu apart, and Self Destruction is just the maximum output of your Ki and Life Force.

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SSJ4 = 6,250,000x pl (Goku SSJ4 could do 10x Kamehameha almost hw many times he wanted and that one 10 timed the Power of the org kamehameha and vegeta used big bang attack(take a lot of power to do) a lot when he fought Omega Shenron)

Wrong again. SS4 is exactly 10x stronger than Super Saiyan.

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why allways 50x? cos if it were like 10x the power goku would just do SuperKaiOKen20 at perfect cell and destroyed him and stuff like that (ps he did super KaiOKen at Piccon)

Kaiokan isn't used after the Freeza Saga, so it isn't a factor in these debates.

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So SSJ4 Goku would MURDER Mystic Gohan in a couple of 0,0000000001sec's

No.

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Originally Posted by Hawkesy the Super Saiyan

SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said

Try reading the thread so far before you post such ignorance. Old Kai finished the Ritual, and was 5 minutes overtime. Gohan has great potential than Goku, and Gohan would destroy any form of Goku.

Oh, and Darkprince, thats totally awesome!

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If Gohan is so strong that you say if would be stronger than ssj4 goku how can he so easiley be infected by bebi? Bebi slaugher Gohan with Gotens body just before he enters it. And in the movies(Anime as ainme) Gohan were 100% Mystic form otherwise he would turn ssj2 directly even Gotenks were beaten by hillegarn only Goku could destroy him. I know Mystic form is cooler than ssj4 in anyway but if an ssj4(no matter who it is) losed to Mystic Gohan it would be a shame... Even Vegeta SSJ2(in DBGT) were stronger than Mystic Gohan. I dont think any DB-fans would be intressted to look on DBGT if their were weaker than them in DBZ.

Every DBZ/GT fan look on this anime or read the manga just because they have incredible power. How many others movies or comics have heroes that can destroy a planet in the begining of a movie(vegeta could destroy a planet when he first arived in the begining of DBZ) thats why we look at it cos the fighters fight like gods.

It's the same thing as saying Vegito was weaker than Mystic Gohan. Cos SSJ4 Goku = Vegito > Gogeta and if you say that vegito is weaker than Mystic Gohan then... i dont know what i am doing on a forum with idiots(no offense)

Abaddon · 02-19-2005

In the games in the movies everywere SSJ3 = Mystic Gohan and you comming with ssj4 thats way stronger than ssj3 can compare to him.. man.....

.Future_Trunks · 02-19-2005

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Gohan. He stated to have the most potential than Goku. Old Kai relased all of gohan's potential. Mystic gohan is far stronger than Ss3 Goku. Gohan could hurt Ss4 Goku.

in the orignal dragonball korin states that goku has more potential and he can be the most powerfull fighter in the whole univurse!!!!!!!!

plus ssj3 goku is stronger than a mystic gohan so why are you guys even argueing about ssj4??

AT states that goku is the strongest character since the series is based on him! plus goku trains=more power..................gohan doesn't train=losing power even a 6 year old knows this

Star Platinum · 02-19-2005

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Originally Posted by SSJ4_Mikael,Feb 18 2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Duo,Feb 18 2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Mikael

Now to tell you all. In anime Goku SSJ3 was beginng to be weaker than mystic gohan. Mystic Gohan is some kind of SSJ2 with Unlocked Potential He's calld mystic cos he dont show any signs of strengh..

'Mystic' Gohan is a fan term, and he's not some kind of SS2. He is the Base Form of Gohan, because his Base Form can access all of his Bodies potential power and even more due to the Old Kai's COMPLETED Ritual, which was 5 minutes overtime.

Quote:

Still after Buu's saga Goku and Vegeta are beaten real bad.. And after that in the movie Hillegarn Goku SSJ3 is Proven to be stronger than Mystic Gohan.

The Movies are Non-canon as in they aren't part of the Original Story, and as such, don't have grounds in this argument because it Contradicts the truth.

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I think for each SSJ lvl you optain you get 50x stronger

False Speculation.

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SSJ = 50x pl (he had to go stronger than 20x Kaioken to beat Freeza 50% and Freeza 100% = 2x Freeza 50% so stronger than KaiOken 40x)

Goku's Super Saiyan Multiplier changes as he gets stronger. In the Buu Saga he only gets about 3 times stronger from transforming, and this is why.

Yakons Kili Level is read at 800 and SS Goku is read at 3000. Base Goku was already stronger than Yakon so he would be about 1000.

Also, Vegeta's power level at the end of the Freeza Saga was within range of Goku at KKx10, and that would make his SS like...10x stronger than Goku's, which doesn't make any sense at all. Vegeta only gets about 3-5 times stronger from transforming.

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SSJ2 = 2,500x pl (Gohan were far stronger than anything else when he beat cell and piccolo sensed that majin vegeta have the same kind of power when he fought buu)

Rubbish! Super Saiyan Goku fought and did decent against Majin Vegeta before he transformed, so SS2 is only about twice as strong as SS.

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SSJ3 = 125,000x pl (No one of the Z-fighters had sense anything like it when goku first tranceformed even the whole planet were shaking when he transformed)

If this were true, Goku would have insinerated Fat Buu in an instant. Think about it, Vegeta's self destructing Blew Buu apart, and Self Destruction is just the maximum output of your Ki and Life Force.

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SSJ4 = 6,250,000x pl (Goku SSJ4 could do 10x Kamehameha almost hw many times he wanted and that one 10 timed the Power of the org kamehameha and vegeta used big bang attack(take a lot of power to do) a lot when he fought Omega Shenron)

Wrong again. SS4 is exactly 10x stronger than Super Saiyan.

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why allways 50x? cos if it were like 10x the power goku would just do SuperKaiOKen20 at perfect cell and destroyed him and stuff like that (ps he did super KaiOKen at Piccon)

Kaiokan isn't used after the Freeza Saga, so it isn't a factor in these debates.

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So SSJ4 Goku would MURDER Mystic Gohan in a couple of 0,0000000001sec's

No.

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Originally Posted by Hawkesy the Super Saiyan

SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said

Try reading the thread so far before you post such ignorance. Old Kai finished the Ritual, and was 5 minutes overtime. Gohan has great potential than Goku, and Gohan would destroy any form of Goku.

Oh, and Darkprince, thats totally awesome!

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If Gohan is so strong that you say if would be stronger than ssj4 goku how can he so easiley be infected by bebi? Bebi slaugher Gohan with Gotens body just before he enters it. And in the movies(Anime as ainme) Gohan were 100% Mystic form otherwise he would turn ssj2 directly even Gotenks were beaten by hillegarn only Goku could destroy him. I know Mystic form is cooler than ssj4 in anyway but if an ssj4(no matter who it is) losed to Mystic Gohan it would be a shame... Even Vegeta SSJ2(in DBGT) were stronger than Mystic Gohan. I dont think any DB-fans would be intressted to look on DBGT if their were weaker than them in DBZ.

Every DBZ/GT fan look on this anime or read the manga just because they have incredible power. How many others movies or comics have heroes that can destroy a planet in the begining of a movie(vegeta could destroy a planet when he first arived in the begining of DBZ) thats why we look at it cos the fighters fight like gods.

It's the same thing as saying Vegito was weaker than Mystic Gohan. Cos SSJ4 Goku = Vegito > Gogeta and if you say that vegito is weaker than Mystic Gohan then... i dont know what i am doing on a forum with idiots(no offense)

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Gt contradicts the manga and can not be used in an argument

Abaddon · 02-19-2005

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Originally Posted by The Hunter,Feb 18 2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJ4_Mikael,Feb 18 2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Duo,Feb 18 2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Mikael

Now to tell you all. In anime Goku SSJ3 was beginng to be weaker than mystic gohan. Mystic Gohan is some kind of SSJ2 with Unlocked Potential He's calld mystic cos he dont show any signs of strengh..

'Mystic' Gohan is a fan term, and he's not some kind of SS2. He is the Base Form of Gohan, because his Base Form can access all of his Bodies potential power and even more due to the Old Kai's COMPLETED Ritual, which was 5 minutes overtime.

Quote:

Still after Buu's saga Goku and Vegeta are beaten real bad.. And after that in the movie Hillegarn Goku SSJ3 is Proven to be stronger than Mystic Gohan.

The Movies are Non-canon as in they aren't part of the Original Story, and as such, don't have grounds in this argument because it Contradicts the truth.

Quote:

I think for each SSJ lvl you optain you get 50x stronger

False Speculation.

Quote:

SSJ = 50x pl (he had to go stronger than 20x Kaioken to beat Freeza 50% and Freeza 100% = 2x Freeza 50% so stronger than KaiOken 40x)

Goku's Super Saiyan Multiplier changes as he gets stronger. In the Buu Saga he only gets about 3 times stronger from transforming, and this is why.

Yakons Kili Level is read at 800 and SS Goku is read at 3000. Base Goku was already stronger than Yakon so he would be about 1000.

Also, Vegeta's power level at the end of the Freeza Saga was within range of Goku at KKx10, and that would make his SS like...10x stronger than Goku's, which doesn't make any sense at all. Vegeta only gets about 3-5 times stronger from transforming.

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SSJ2 = 2,500x pl (Gohan were far stronger than anything else when he beat cell and piccolo sensed that majin vegeta have the same kind of power when he fought buu)

Rubbish! Super Saiyan Goku fought and did decent against Majin Vegeta before he transformed, so SS2 is only about twice as strong as SS.

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SSJ3 = 125,000x pl (No one of the Z-fighters had sense anything like it when goku first tranceformed even the whole planet were shaking when he transformed)

If this were true, Goku would have insinerated Fat Buu in an instant. Think about it, Vegeta's self destructing Blew Buu apart, and Self Destruction is just the maximum output of your Ki and Life Force.

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SSJ4 = 6,250,000x pl (Goku SSJ4 could do 10x Kamehameha almost hw many times he wanted and that one 10 timed the Power of the org kamehameha and vegeta used big bang attack(take a lot of power to do) a lot when he fought Omega Shenron)

Wrong again. SS4 is exactly 10x stronger than Super Saiyan.

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why allways 50x? cos if it were like 10x the power goku would just do SuperKaiOKen20 at perfect cell and destroyed him and stuff like that (ps he did super KaiOKen at Piccon)

Kaiokan isn't used after the Freeza Saga, so it isn't a factor in these debates.

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So SSJ4 Goku would MURDER Mystic Gohan in a couple of 0,0000000001sec's

No.

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Originally Posted by Hawkesy the Super Saiyan

SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said

Try reading the thread so far before you post such ignorance. Old Kai finished the Ritual, and was 5 minutes overtime. Gohan has great potential than Goku, and Gohan would destroy any form of Goku.

Oh, and Darkprince, thats totally awesome!

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If Gohan is so strong that you say if would be stronger than ssj4 goku how can he so easiley be infected by bebi? Bebi slaugher Gohan with Gotens body just before he enters it. And in the movies(Anime as ainme) Gohan were 100% Mystic form otherwise he would turn ssj2 directly even Gotenks were beaten by hillegarn only Goku could destroy him. I know Mystic form is cooler than ssj4 in anyway but if an ssj4(no matter who it is) losed to Mystic Gohan it would be a shame... Even Vegeta SSJ2(in DBGT) were stronger than Mystic Gohan. I dont think any DB-fans would be intressted to look on DBGT if their were weaker than them in DBZ.

Every DBZ/GT fan look on this anime or read the manga just because they have incredible power. How many others movies or comics have heroes that can destroy a planet in the begining of a movie(vegeta could destroy a planet when he first arived in the begining of DBZ) thats why we look at it cos the fighters fight like gods.

It's the same thing as saying Vegito was weaker than Mystic Gohan. Cos SSJ4 Goku = Vegito > Gogeta and if you say that vegito is weaker than Mystic Gohan then... i dont know what i am doing on a forum with idiots(no offense)

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Gt contradicts the manga and can not be used in an argument

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So if DBGT cant be used here... Then Why **SSJ4** Goku VS Mystic Gohan?

02-18-2005	#46 (permalink)
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02-18-2005	#47 (permalink)
Crispy Bacon (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,204 Rep Power: 8	Goku Versus Gohan QUOTE(SSJ4_Mikael @ Feb 18 2005, 08:20 AM) QUOTE(El_Diablo @ Feb 18 2005, 03:15 PM) The movies suck and have no place in discussions [snapback]285446[/snapback] corect me if im wrong but aint anime manga in movie form??? [snapback]285449[/snapback] No none of the movies appear in manga form unless you count the Trunk's special. Only the dragon fist is stronger than Gohan not Goku. Goku couldn't touch Hildegarn. QUOTE(Hawkesy the Super Saiyan @ Feb 18 2005, 08:53 AM) SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said [snapback]285482[/snapback] Old Kai finished the ritual and was done for five minutes before Gohan asked if he was finished. Pleas provide a reason why Goku in super 4 is stronger than Gohan pushed beyond his natural limits. __________________

02-19-2005	#48 (permalink)
Darkprince410 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,711 Rep Power: 31	Goku Versus Gohan QUOTE(Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks @ Feb 18 2005, 05:51 AM) But how could they know they'd return to size? [snapback]285344[/snapback] How Gokuu knew whether or not they'd regain their size after leaving Buu doesn't really matter, since all that was important is that he did know. And I have proof taken from the the actual dub showing that he did. Gokuu statement (audio format) Not only that, but proof taken from the anime (yes, the anime), that shows that Gokuu knew he was weaker than Super Buu 1. Gokuu statement 2 (audio format) __________________

02-19-2005	#49 (permalink)
Abaddon (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 4	Goku Versus Gohan well i though they fought buu pretty well inside of him. still i think that kid buu is a lot stronger than buu-tenx. He even maneged to get controll over a super big spirit bomb. And when he fought Vegeta, Goku and Fat Buu he was just having fun and he could even regenetrade after destroying the earth.. super3 goku dint have a chanse agianst kid buu.. but so gohan woulnd be a match for him either.. i think it is something like this SSJ3 Goku = Mystic Gohan Yhey both thought good but when your taking it up to ssj4 gohan would be killed by a punch

02-19-2005	#50 (permalink)
.Gokuthealmightyone (13) Great Ape Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 306 Rep Power: 4	Goku Versus Gohan I think it would be a stalemate between them. But still, I'm leaning more towards Goku, just for the fact that he is in SSJ4 form.

02-19-2005	#51 (permalink)
Abaddon (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 4	Goku Versus Gohan QUOTE(Gokuthealmightyone @ Feb 18 2005, 08:14 PM) I think it would be a stalemate between them. But still, I'm leaning more towards Goku, just for the fact that he is in SSJ4 form. [snapback]285603[/snapback] you think so well you terrible mistaken dont you get it mystic gohan was a bit stronger than goku in ssj3. Mystic Gohan could Super Kamehameha And Goku SSJ4 could Ultimate Kamehameha(10x Kamehameha). The fact is that that even full-power mystic gohan coulnt even dmg Goku SSJ4 even if they both wanted too

02-19-2005	#52 (permalink)
.Gokuthealmightyone (13) Great Ape Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 306 Rep Power: 4	Goku Versus Gohan Well I did say I was leaning more towards Goku anyway. So I agree with you, Goku would win.

02-19-2005	#53 (permalink)
.gogeta the super fusion (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,202 Rep Power: 8	Goku Versus Gohan Gohan. He stated to have the most potential than Goku. Old Kai relased all of gohan's potential. Mystic gohan is far stronger than Ss3 Goku. Gohan could hurt Ss4 Goku.

02-19-2005	#54 (permalink)
Crispy Bacon (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,204 Rep Power: 8	Goku Versus Gohan QUOTE(SSJ4_Mikael @ Feb 18 2005, 01:11 PM) well i though they fought buu pretty well inside of him. still i think that kid buu is a lot stronger than buu-tenx. He even maneged to get controll over a super big spirit bomb. And when he fought Vegeta, Goku and Fat Buu he was just having fun and he could even regenetrade after destroying the earth.. super3 goku dint have a chanse agianst kid buu.. but so gohan woulnd be a match for him either.. i think it is something like this SSJ3 Goku = Mystic Gohan Yhey both thought good but when your taking it up to ssj4 gohan would be killed by a punch [snapback]285602[/snapback] You really don't know much do you. Gohan was wasting Super Buu without firing one ki blast. Goku wouldn't even fight Super Buu with the help of Vegeta. Right? There that means Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Gohan is a hybrid such as a liger which is better than a tiger and a lion. Gohan in turn is part saiyan and part human and thus is potentially better than both. Gohan with his potential pushed beyond its limits is stronger than Goku if he had his potential pushed beyond its limits, and that would be stronger than super form 4. __________________

02-19-2005	#55 (permalink)
Duo (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 5,255 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 28	Goku Versus Gohan QUOTE(SSJ4 Mikael) Now to tell you all. In anime Goku SSJ3 was beginng to be weaker than mystic gohan. Mystic Gohan is some kind of SSJ2 with Unlocked Potential He's calld mystic cos he dont show any signs of strengh.. 'Mystic' Gohan is a fan term, and he's not some kind of SS2. He is the Base Form of Gohan, because his Base Form can access all of his Bodies potential power and even more due to the Old Kai's COMPLETED Ritual, which was 5 minutes overtime. QUOTE Still after Buu's saga Goku and Vegeta are beaten real bad.. And after that in the movie Hillegarn Goku SSJ3 is Proven to be stronger than Mystic Gohan. The Movies are Non-canon as in they aren't part of the Original Story, and as such, don't have grounds in this argument because it Contradicts the truth. QUOTE I think for each SSJ lvl you optain you get 50x stronger False Speculation. QUOTE SSJ = 50x pl (he had to go stronger than 20x Kaioken to beat Freeza 50% and Freeza 100% = 2x Freeza 50% so stronger than KaiOken 40x) Goku's Super Saiyan Multiplier changes as he gets stronger. In the Buu Saga he only gets about 3 times stronger from transforming, and this is why. Yakons Kili Level is read at 800 and SS Goku is read at 3000. Base Goku was already stronger than Yakon so he would be about 1000. Also, Vegeta's power level at the end of the Freeza Saga was within range of Goku at KKx10, and that would make his SS like...10x stronger than Goku's, which doesn't make any sense at all. Vegeta only gets about 3-5 times stronger from transforming. QUOTE SSJ2 = 2,500x pl (Gohan were far stronger than anything else when he beat cell and piccolo sensed that majin vegeta have the same kind of power when he fought buu) Rubbish! Super Saiyan Goku fought and did decent against Majin Vegeta before he transformed, so SS2 is only about twice as strong as SS. QUOTE SSJ3 = 125,000x pl (No one of the Z-fighters had sense anything like it when goku first tranceformed even the whole planet were shaking when he transformed) If this were true, Goku would have insinerated Fat Buu in an instant. Think about it, Vegeta's self destructing Blew Buu apart, and Self Destruction is just the maximum output of your Ki and Life Force. QUOTE SSJ4 = 6,250,000x pl (Goku SSJ4 could do 10x Kamehameha almost hw many times he wanted and that one 10 timed the Power of the org kamehameha and vegeta used big bang attack(take a lot of power to do) a lot when he fought Omega Shenron) Wrong again. SS4 is exactly 10x stronger than Super Saiyan. QUOTE why allways 50x? cos if it were like 10x the power goku would just do SuperKaiOKen20 at perfect cell and destroyed him and stuff like that (ps he did super KaiOKen at Piccon) Kaiokan isn't used after the Freeza Saga, so it isn't a factor in these debates. QUOTE So SSJ4 Goku would MURDER Mystic Gohan in a couple of 0,0000000001sec's No. QUOTE(Hawkesy the Super Saiyan) SSJ 4 goku would Destroy Mystic Gohan because that power level is just beyond SSJ2 BUT if the elder kai even bothered to finish the ritual Mystic Gohan would have been just below SSJ4 but either way Goku would have beaten Gohan to a pulp 'nuff said Try reading the thread so far before you post such ignorance. Old Kai finished the Ritual, and was 5 minutes overtime. Gohan has great potential than Goku, and Gohan would destroy any form of Goku. Oh, and Darkprince, thats totally awesome! __________________ "Christianity is not about building an absolutely secure little niche in the world where you can live with your perfect little wife and your perfect little children in your beautiful little house where you have no gays or minority groups anywhere near you. Christianity is about learning to love like Jesus loved and Jesus loved the poor and Jesus loved the broken."

02-19-2005	#57 (permalink)
Abaddon (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 4	Goku Versus Gohan In the games in the movies everywere SSJ3 = Mystic Gohan and you comming with ssj4 thats way stronger than ssj3 can compare to him.. man.....

02-19-2005	#58 (permalink)
.Future_Trunks (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,959 Rep Power: 6	Goku Versus Gohan QUOTE Gohan. He stated to have the most potential than Goku. Old Kai relased all of gohan's potential. Mystic gohan is far stronger than Ss3 Goku. Gohan could hurt Ss4 Goku. in the orignal dragonball korin states that goku has more potential and he can be the most powerfull fighter in the whole univurse!!!!!!!! plus ssj3 goku is stronger than a mystic gohan so why are you guys even argueing about ssj4?? AT states that goku is the strongest character since the series is based on him! plus goku trains=more power..................gohan doesn't train=losing power even a 6 year old knows this