The Speed Phantom

QUOTE(Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks @ Feb 18 2005, 04:59 AM)
I wouldn't say that, remember, Goku & Vegeta were tiny when they fought Super Buu, they're PL was maybe like 1/8 of it's normal.



That's rubbish. Goku stated that if he and Vegeta blew a whole out of Buu and escaped (in other words, returned back to normal), Super Buu would still kill them easily. So yeah, Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than Super Buu.

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He never said they;d return to normal

The Speed Phantom

QUOTE(Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks @ Feb 18 2005, 05:28 AM)
He never said they;d return to normal



Good god.

Tell me what happened as soon as Vegeta and Goku escaped from inside Majin Buu. Did they not return back to normal? If Vegeta and Goku blew a hole and escaped, Super Buu would've killed them. Stop trying to find loopholes.

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Crispy Bacon

Trunks never said he was gonna lose against Cell but he did. Now would anyone like to post who they think is stronger Gohan full power unlocked or Goku super form 4.

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But how could they know they'd return to size?

Duo

He didn't seem too suprised then they did.

Goku's handled alternate dimensions before, it wasn't an issue whether or not they'd get big. Same principle on how they got small.

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QUOTE(Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks @ Feb 18 2005, 12:51 AM)
But how could they know they'd return to size?



COMMON SENSE.

If getting sucked into Buu's body made them small, leaving would make them big again. Logical assumption. Really, it's more logical than thinking they would remain small.

You're reading too far into this.

.Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks

It's not more logical, maybe they'd be stuck that ay unless Buu un-did them like with the Vegito Candy.

Duo

You honest-to-god think that Goku was scared he would be stuck small? Don't you think he would have indicated something to that extent..at some point...AT ALL?!

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The Speed Phantom

QUOTE(Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks @ Feb 18 2005, 06:03 AM)
It's not more logical, maybe they'd be stuck that ay unless Buu un-did them like with the Vegito Candy.



You are clearly making things up. You're just trying to find some way to make Goku and Vegeta be stronger than Super Buu. So far, you're failing.

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Hey TMS03, why are you back when you got BANNED?

Abaddon

Now to tell you all. In anime Goku SSJ3 was beginng to be weaker than mystic gohan. Mystic Gohan is some kind of SSJ2 with Unlocked Potential He's calld mystic cos he dont show any signs of strengh..
Still after Buu's saga Goku and Vegeta are beaten real bad.. And after that in the movie Hillegarn Goku SSJ3 is Proven to be stronger than Mystic Gohan. And In DBGT Goku trains like he neverd done before with Uub. And Bebi is really not that strong but he can Make weak bodys stronger than they really are So if Super Buu Gohan Faced BebiGohan Bebi would win .. And if SSJ4 would be weaker than SSJ3 he would call it SSJ2 or like hyper-ssj. And still Goku couldnt do 10x Kamehameha when he were in SSJ3 form. So even this would be right Goku Super3KaiOKen20<SSJ4 Goku.
And Mystic Gohan gets far weaker than ssj3 goku in Hillegarn movie so i would say Goku SSJ4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>( 50x)-SSJ3 Goku>Mystic Gohan
I think for each SSJ lvl you optain you get 50x stronger
SSJ = 50x pl (he had to go stronger than 20x Kaioken to beat Freeza 50% and Freeza 100% = 2x Freeza 50% so stronger than KaiOken 40x)

SSJ2 = 2,500x pl (Gohan were far stronger than anything else when he beat cell and piccolo sensed that majin vegeta have the same kind of power when he fought buu)

SSJ3 = 125,000x pl (No one of the Z-fighters had sense anything like it when goku first tranceformed even the whole planet were shaking when he transformed)

SSJ4 = 6,250,000x pl (Goku SSJ4 could do 10x Kamehameha almost hw many times he wanted and that one 10 timed the Power of the org kamehameha and vegeta used big bang attack(take a lot of power to do) a lot when he fought Omega Shenron)

why allways 50x? cos if it were like 10x the power goku would just do SuperKaiOKen20 at perfect cell and destroyed him and stuff like that (ps he did super KaiOKen at Piccon)

So SSJ4 Goku would MURDER Mystic Gohan in a couple of 0,0000000001sec's

El Diablo

The movies suck and have no place in discussions

Abaddon

SRRY but i forgot: If SSJ2= SSJ4 vegeta woulnd need bulma to transform him to a ssj4 agianst Omega Shenron And Vgetea Asked Goku
Vegeta: If i power up to ssj2 and u power up to a ssj4 we can still fuse right?
Chibi:Goku: No. Our power would have to great differences
think about that be4 u right stupid comments(no offence)

Abaddon

QUOTE(El_Diablo @ Feb 18 2005, 03:15 PM)
The movies suck and have no place in discussions


corect me if im wrong but aint anime manga in movie form???