.Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks

Didn't Kai say it in the Manga aswell? Dangerous would mean the same thing as strong.

.gogeta the super fusion

In the anime: Gohan>>>Goku. Goku barely won againts Fat buu and super Buu Is stronger than Fat Buu. So Mystic Gohan>>Super Buu> SS Gotenks>>SS3 Goku>>>Fat Buu.

Kid buu is not the strongest buu. it shows that ss3 goku is equall to Kid buu, and Super Buu is stronger ythan Kid Buu.

Darkprince410

Not necessarily, if you read the context that lead up to Rou Dai Kaioushin-sama saying that, you'd realize that he meant dangerous in terms of controllability.



As you see, RDK is asking that about Chibi Buu AFTER Kaiou-bito relates that due to Buu absorbing the Dai Kaioushin-sama, he became docile and more controllable. Before that, he was a killing machine that no one could contain.

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.Spider-Man Kid Buu

Eh to quote Kuilja:

Let me go get the lines again for you. I'll write this down so I don't have to keep doing it (I've had to go get them three times now, people keep saying it was never said in the Japanese original and that Kid Buu = strongest Buu is only a dub line. It's NOT, it's a sub mistake too and TOEI's script writers believed it).

Translations courtesy of that damn elitist dbzoa.net.

Episode 280: Vegeta's Confession! Goku's Number 1!!

Goku: Majin Buu might be a freak but his strength, speed and endurance are incredible. He's on a completely different level than the other Majin Buus.

That says it all, I believe. You just weren't paying attention - but it doesn't stop there...

Goku: It's time to trade. Majin Buu's strong. He's stronger than anyone I've ever fought before.

Let this sink in for a moment. In the anime, Goku has fought every form of Buu bar Evil Buu + Mr. Buu. He fought Fat Buu. He fought Super Buu. He fought Super Buu 2. He fought Super Buu 3. In the anime, Goku then says that Kid Buu is the strongest person he ever fought.

Kid Buu > all other Majin Buus, stated again.

It still continues in a similar vein in the next episode:

Episode 281: Hang In There Vegeta!! All Life Depends on This Minute

Narrator: Goku enjoys fighting the unimaginably powerful Buu. Watching that has caused Vegeta to realize the secret to Goku's strength.

Sure, it doesn't say "Kid Buu > all" here, but unimaginably powerful? We just saw a bunch of other powerful Buus, weren't THEY unimaginably powerful?

Goku: You're really strong. Even more than I imagined.

Goku: If I'd known this was going to happen we would have beaten you while we were still fused as Vegetto. But I still can't afford to lose!

TOEI wants us to believe Goku has decided only fusion can beat Kid Buu.

Is that enough?

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Duo

So Toei was wrong too, I have suspected it was also put in the Japanease version and thats why even more confusion occured.

However, the Manga, surely, is still devoid of this. If the Anime contradicts the Manga, it is wrong.

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.gogeta the super fusion

I need to read the magna up to the kid buu point so i know how to anserw this. Wait, this is the anime forum. I still think mystic Gohan >>> Sss4 goku cause Ss4 is the true form of ss2. ss4 is stronger than ss2, but weaker than Ss3. so mystic gohan>>ss4 Goku.

.CrimsonTA

QUOTE(gogeta the super fusion @ Feb 18 2005, 02:06 AM)
I need to read the magna up to the kid buu point so i know how to anserw this. Wait, this is the anime forum. I still think mystic Gohan >>> Sss4 goku cause Ss4 is the true form of ss2. ss4 is stronger than ss2, but weaker than Ss3. so mystic gohan>>ss4 Goku.



Huh... SSj 4 is not SSJ2, if it was it would be called SSJ2....

Duo

And SS4 is more powerful than SS3, it makes no sense otherwise. Its probably about twice the power.

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I need to read the magna up to the kid buu point so i know how to anserw this. Wait, this is the anime forum. I still think mystic Gohan >>> Sss4 goku cause Ss4 is the true form of ss2. ss4 is stronger than ss2, but weaker than Ss3. so mystic gohan>>ss4 Goku.


that doesnt make any sense how is ss4 ss2 and how is ss4<ss3

.Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks

Well atleast I know that SSJ3 Goku IS stronger than Kid Buu in the Anime, so since this is in the Anime section, we hafta debate Anime.

.gogeta the super fusion

Proof that GT is mesed up

In Becket when it tels the gt story, it says: goku gains control of himself and transforms into the true super saiyan two or commonly refered to as super saiyan four.

And goku in "true" Ss2 mode is only stronger than Ss3 kid goku. ss3 aldult Goku is difernt and stronger.

.Pivitor

QUOTE(Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks @ Feb 17 2005, 11:06 PM)
Well atleast I know that SSJ3 Goku IS stronger than Kid Buu in the Anime, so since this is in the Anime section, we hafta debate Anime.



In the anime, the dub mistake you're referring to says that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, and that SSJ3 Goku is stronger. Therefore, according to the anime: SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu > Mystic Gohan

Also in the anime, Mystic Gohan kicked Super Buu's ass. Goku later said that he and Vegita couldn't even take Super Buu on together. This means that, no matter how strong Goku gets, he can't beat Super Buu. THIS IS SAID IN THE ANIME. Therefore, in the anime: Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu

So, according to your beloved anime: SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu > Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu

So therefore, the anime states that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu yes (THIS IS A MISTAKE ON TOEI'S PART, AS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED, BUT I'LL IGNORE THAT), but the anime also states that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu.

So therefore, if you debate the anime, you have to realize that either argument works. Since the anime says that Kid Buu is both stronger and weaker than Super Buu in different parts of the show, you have to accept both arguments, since both arguments agree with anime statements.

What does this mean for you, Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks? This means that you can continue debating thinking that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, since it has been stated in the anime. HOWEVER, since Super Buu being stronger than Kid Buu has ALSO been stated in the anime, you cannot get angry at other's debating using this information instaed.

So in short, SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT US DEBATING WRONG BECAUSE WE AREN'T USING THE KID BUU > ALL STATEMENT, BECAUSE SUPER BUU > KID BUU WAS ALSO STATED IN THE ANIME. BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, IF IT'S STATED IN THE ANIME IT MUST BE TRUE, SO WE CAN ALL DEBATE WITH THAT FACT WITHOUT YOUR CONTINUED INSISTANCE.

Thank you for your time.

The Speed Phantom

In that short scuffle, it seems that Pivitor = t3h winn4r!

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.Ultimate_Saiyan_Trunks

I wouldn't say that, remember, Goku & Vegeta were tiny when they fought Super Buu, they're PL was maybe like 1/8 of it's normal.

Duo

Hence the reason Goku said, "If we leave now, he'll destroy us!"

Meaning, they would be full size and full power.

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