.A.J.P.

QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 9 2004, 09:40 PM)

well in gt, you see vegeta become a oozaru, RIGHT? wellyou have to be golden oozaru to beable to become ss4. but when he became oozaru with his tail, he wasnt siuper saiyan, and taht made him a plain ol stupid oozaru! and then all of a sudden, a little later he became a golden oozaru! so like WTF? Did HE become ssj in oozaru state? i think not, i think oozaru is too crazy to beable to do that!

BACK TO TOPIC!

.Jet Kid

True but Akira did help with the Anime.

And he helped ink a couple of things for GT and he also came up some ideas.

He pretty much looked over the shoulder of Toei and gave them the ok to make GT.

Chibi Mystic Gohan

QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 9 2004, 11:51 PM)

QUOTE (Chibi's Power Levels @ Oct 9 2004, 10:46 PM) QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 9 2004, 11:39 PM) you do not like to agree chibi do u What, do you refuse to believe that Akira Toriyama didn't make the anime? On Toei's site it says Original Author : Akira Toriyama Producer : Kenji Shimizu Chief Director : Daisuke Nishio Chief Production Manager : Minoru Maeda Background Director : Tadanao Tsuji Music : Shunsuke Kikuchi Meaning he was the author of the manga. Do you know how many people it takes to make an anime? More than one person. In fact, a manga usually takes an author and 1 or more assistants, yet Akira made a whole anime, by himself? And he made a manga at the same time, which he takes 5 day to complete a chapter? LMFAO I KNOW HE MADE IT!!!! im saying he drew the anime up, scence by scene!

No, Toei Animation drew the anime, he drew the manga.

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QUOTE (Chibi's Power Levels @ Oct 9 2004, 10:52 PM)

QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 9 2004, 11:51 PM) QUOTE (Chibi's Power Levels @ Oct 9 2004, 10:46 PM) QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 9 2004, 11:39 PM) you do not like to agree chibi do u What, do you refuse to believe that Akira Toriyama didn't make the anime? On Toei's site it says Original Author : Akira Toriyama Producer : Kenji Shimizu Chief Director : Daisuke Nishio Chief Production Manager : Minoru Maeda Background Director : Tadanao Tsuji Music : Shunsuke Kikuchi Meaning he was the author of the manga. Do you know how many people it takes to make an anime? More than one person. In fact, a manga usually takes an author and 1 or more assistants, yet Akira made a whole anime, by himself? And he made a manga at the same time, which he takes 5 day to complete a chapter? LMFAO I KNOW HE MADE IT!!!! im saying he drew the anime up, scence by scene! No, Toei Animation drew the anime, he drew the manga.

they both look way too identical, now BACK TO TOPIC!

Chibi Mystic Gohan

The History of Toei Animation: (Look at the thing in bold)


Date Event
Jan. '48 NIHON DOGA CO., LTD. founded in Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo. Animation production begins.
Aug. '52 Corporate name changed to NICHIDO EIGA CO.
July '56 TOEI CO., LTD purchased NICHIDO FILM CO., LTD. and changed its corporate name to TOEI DOGA CO.,LTD.
Corporate headquarters established in Kyobashi, Chuo-ku, Tokyo. Production studio established in Haramachi, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo.
Jan. '57 Studio moved to Ohizumi, Nerima-ku, Tokyo.
May '57 First short animation film, "Little Kitty's Graffiti" released
Oct. '58 First theatrical feature length film, "The White Snake" released.
Sept. '60 TOEI DOGA CO., LTD. headquarters moved to Ginza, Chuo-ku, Tokyo.
Nov. '63 First televised animation series "Ken, the Wild Boy" airs.
Nov. '66 "Gulliver's Space Travel" released in the United States.
Apr. '67 Color broadcasting launched from the 18th episode of the TV
series "Sally the Witch"
Feb. '73 TAVAC CO.,LTD., editing and recording company founded.
Mar. '73 Shinjuku Business Office established in Kitashinjuku, Shinjuku-ku,
Tokyo.
June '73 Outsourcing to foreign studios starts.
Feb. '75 International sales of TV series such as "Sally the Witch" and "Mazinger Z" starts.
Aug. '79 The first autonomous feature-length theatrical film, "Galaxy Express 999," becomes a great hit.
Mar. '80 Serious research for computerized animation production starts.
Apr. '81 TV series "Dr. Slump/Arale-chan" hits airwaves. The show airs for 5 years and becomes a great hit.
Oct. '85 Computerized filming system for faster and more diverse image processing introduced.
Feb. '86 TV animation series "Dragon Ball" airs and becomes a great hit.
Mar. '86 Production of the first Original Video Animation series, "Shonan Hot Riders" starts.
The first in-house produced video game software; "Ken, the Great Bear Fist" released. It becomes a hit with sales of over 450,000 copies.
Mar. '86 TV series "Dragon Ball" wins the Prix d'Or of the French comic magazine PIF's Anime Grand Prix
Dec. '91 Computer film production software CATAS (Computer Aided TOEI Animation System) introduced
Mar. '92 A TV series "Sailor Moon" airs. It becomes a popular show and runs more than 5 years. Products featuring characters from the show also become a hit.
Nov. '92 EEI-TOEI ANIMATION CORPORATION, a joint venture subcontract studio with Philippines' EEI established.
Mar. '94 Shinjuku Business Office renamed the Shinjuku Office and moved to Yokodera-machi, Shinjuku-ku,Tokyo.
Apr. '95 Toei Animation Institute in Kandasurugadai, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo founded.
Mar. '96 Corporate headquarters moved to Yokodera-Machi, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo.
Feb. '97 Digital production of TV series and theatrical films using the RETAS CGI software begins.
Mar. '97 Investment in TOEI ANIMATION ENTERPRISES, LTD made.
Jan. '98 EEI-TOEI ANIMATION CORPORATION becomes a subsidiary company.
July '98 Investment made in TOEI SATELLITE BROADCASTING CO., LTD. (16.7% financing) a company established by a coalition of Toei related companies. In addition, investment made in ANIMAX BROADCASTING JAPAN CO., LTD. (8.5% financing), a compay established mainly by SONY CO., LTD.
Oct. '98 Corporate name changed to TOEI ANIMATION CO., LTD.
June '99 Corporate headquarters moved to Ohizumi, Nerima-ku, Tokyo.
Apr. '00 EEI-TOEI ANIMATION CORPORATION renamed to TOEI ANIMATION PHILS. INC.
May '00 Animation material network ordering system for 10 production companies introduced.
Oct. '00 Network system expanded from 10 companies to 21 companies
Digital drawing system using LCD tablets developed by CELSYS CO., LTD introduced.
Dec. '00 Listed on the JASDAQ market
Mar. '01 Subsidiary company TOEI ANIMATION MUSIC PUBLISHING CO.,
LTD. founded
Aug. '01 Unit number of stock changed from 1,000 to 100 (effective from Oct. '01).
Oct. '01 Investment (8.25% financing) in Korean satellite animation broadcast company DAIWON DIGITAL BROADCASTING, Ltd., made.
July '02 Subsidiary company LATERNA CO., LTD. Founded.
Mar. '03 Toei Animation Gallery opened.
Mar. '04 Subsidiary company TOEI ANIMATION INCORPORATED founded in California, USA

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QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 9 2004, 11:53 PM)

they both look way too identical!

Are you an idiot? Every anime based off of a manga is made to look like the manga, they even use the same poses and stuff.
It's impossible to draw a whole anime by yourself, and a whole manga chapter, in a week.

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.Jet Kid

Akira Toriyama helped with Dragonball, Dargonball Z, and Dragonball GT

He just didnt sit back a let them completely take over. In GT he threw his two cents in

Chibi Mystic Gohan

QUOTE (Jet Kid @ Oct 9 2004, 11:59 PM)

Akira Toriyama helped with Dragonball, Dargonball Z, and Dragonball GT He just didnt sit back a let them completely take over. In GT he threw his two cents in

No, he was making the manga at the same time Toei was drawing the anime. When the manga is lisenced to become an anime, the manga author has no say in what happens.

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.Jet Kid

OK I dont know where you got that load of crap...and I know that he was finishing up the manga when the series was coming out but he still managed to ink some things and draw others too.

Ya see when your devoted to some thing it gives you motivation...and since it was kinda his job he needed all the money he could get cuz being an artist doesnt pay that much especially in the 80's. Hence the term starving artist.

.Kujila

Akira Toriyama isn't an animator. He doesn't work on animes. It's that simple. He's a manga artist and writer.

.Jet Kid

ok yeah what ever

But when a company is making the anime the creator has all the say he wants in it

Chibi Mystic Gohan

OK I dont know where you got that load of crap

If you think the manga artist looks over the anime, then filler that contradicts the plot wouldn't exist. You obviously don't watch Naruto.

and I know that he was finishing up the manga when the series was coming out

Let's see, the manga started in 1985, and the anime started in 1986. Akira was just starting the manga at the same time the anime was starting, only off by a year.

but he still managed to ink some things and draw others too.

And that statment was based off of what?

Ya see when your devoted to some thing it gives you motivation...

It doesn't matter how "devoted" or "motivated" he would be to help with the anime, him, and any other artist that has given interviews in the US Shonen Jump, have stated that it takes 5-6 days to finish a chapter. And as you should know, anime and manga run on a weekly schedual in Japan. He even stated in Issue #1 of Shonen Jump (I think it was #1) that he would get no more than 4 hours of sleep a day, every week, for 10 years, while making Dragonball.

and since it was kinda his job he needed all the money he could get cuz being an artist doesnt pay that much especially in the 80's. Hence the term starving artist.

Manga artists aren't paid that much? Akira is rich, dude, which is why he doesn't draw weekly manga anymore, only occasionly.


But when a company is making the anime the creator has all the say he wants in it

You obviously don't know much about anime. The author has no say in the anime, which is why the anime producers have to buy the lisence, they aren't free to just make it. If the manga artist had a say, there would be no pointless filler.
For instance, about the LoTR movies. If Toilken were still alive, do you think he would be there, bossing the movie director around? No, the director is allowed to interpret the movie however he wants, although if he changed the whole plot, the movie wouldn't do very good.

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Take Kubrick's "The Shining" as an example. Stephen King himself said that he didn't like the changes Kubrick had made to his novel, but did Kubrick listen to these criticisms or feel forced to change the screenplay? No, he didn't. Could Stephen King really stop him? No, it was too late by then.

The only thing he COULD do was make his own version, which in fact he later did with Stephen King's The Shining years later, for which he himself wrote the sceenplay.

.Kujila

QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 10 2004, 06:52 AM)

QUOTE (A.J.P. @ Oct 9 2004, 09:40 PM) well in gt, you see vegeta become a oozaru, RIGHT? wellyou have to be golden oozaru to beable to become ss4. but when he became oozaru with his tail, he wasnt siuper saiyan, and taht made him a plain ol stupid oozaru! and then all of a sudden, a little later he became a golden oozaru! so like WTF? Did HE become ssj in oozaru state? i think not, i think oozaru is too crazy to beable to do that! BACK TO TOPIC!

Okay, here's the answer to the on-topic question:

Vegeta has control over the Oozaru form. He's not too "crazy" to go SSJ at will in it.

.Jet Kid

For one you cant relate a book to a manga/comic

A produce for a cartoon/anime is way different then a producer for a movie

A director for a cartoon/anime is way different then a director for a movie

and what the fuck do mean I dont watch Naruto I have seen all the way up to 102 I just havent had the time to get 103. Any ways were not even talking about Naruto. Your asking what my statements are based off of but every thing that I have asked you to base off of you give me a load of crap. Its stated by artist dating all the way back to Piccaso that they dont make as much money as people think they do until after what they made is very old.

Dragonball is over 20 years old

If your basin books and manga together and anime and movies together then lets take Spider Man 1 and 2

Stan Lee had plenty of say in both those movies and even a camio

I dont know where you go off saying that the soul creator of a series has no say in the production of the cartoon/anime production.

Now some artist dont like to do the anime/cartoon as with Naruto (but Masashi Kishimoto has been spotted entering and leaving the production studio) and thats their descision but Akira Toriyam has helped on the Cell Games and the Buu Saga it was stated in an interview with Akira Toriyama. Its even stated in interviews and by many people on this board that helped ink and draw a few things in GT.

I know it takes about 4 to 5 days to finish a chapter but Akira had many chapters already done so in spare time he did odd jobs like help Toei from Bird Studios (these guys helped also).

All this is stated by Akira himself and by his wife also. His wife mentions many times that he was at Toei animation making sure things were going smoothly, and I believe that his wife knows him better then any of us.