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when gohan is mystic he is at his maximum power so a transformation would be pointless like as it has been said before
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QUOTE (ss4_mystic_legacy @ Oct 9 2004, 02:23 AM)
when gohan is mystic he is at his maximum power so a transformation would be pointless like as it has been said before

Not if he WISHED for his potential to be raised, or for his super sayian forms to be restored and make it where he's more powerfull than he is in his mystic state.
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Oct 9 2004, 02:16 AM)
the only thing they could do to raise his power is to wish to raise his maximum potential, but even that proablly wouldnt work.

Yes it can. Because the dragon can grant ANY wish. So if he wished that going super sayian would make him more powerfull than he is in his mystic state, and then another wish to be able to go super sayian, (Which he COULD have done. He just said he didn't NEED to. He said so to Buu in the anime.) he could be stronger.

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the dragon cannot grant any wish. raising his maximum is not in the dragon;s power. gohan CANNOT GO SSJ ANYMORE. get this through your head. learn it. accept it. you make absolutely no sense at all. how in gods name can you say gohan "didnt need ssj"??? why would gohan think "he didnt need ssj" when he was getting his ass whooped by super buu 2? do you think he "forgot" he could go to ssj?
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Oct 9 2004, 02:29 AM)

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the only thing they could do to raise his power is to wish to raise his maximum potential, but even that proablly wouldnt work.

Yes it can. Because the dragon can grant ANY wish. So if he wished that going super sayian would make him more powerfull than he is in his mystic state, and then another wish to be able to go super sayian, (Which he COULD have done. He just said he didn't NEED to. He said so to Buu in the anime.) he could be stronger.

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the dragon cannot grant any wish. raising his maximum is not in the dragon;s power. gohan CANNOT GO SSJ ANYMORE. get this through your head. learn it. accept it. you make absolutely no sense at all. how in gods name can you say gohan "didnt need ssj"??? why would gohan think "he didnt need ssj" when he was getting his ass whooped by super buu 2? do you think he "forgot" he could go to ssj?

He said it BEFORE the battle, i'm sure he would of went super sayian eventually but got distracted by looking for the porta earings. Plus, it NEVER said the dragon coulden't make someone stronger.
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gohan never said he didnt need ssj. gohan cannot go ssj. why do you think he went "mystic" instead of ssj when old kai told him to transform? because his mystic replaced all of his transformations. and as ive been saying, even if gohan could go ssj it would do nothing but make him loose energy.
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Are u saying that once hes mystic can u ever g0 out of it?
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Yeah. Gohan had hidden potential that he couldn't really bring out fully himself. That is why Old Kai brought it out because he knew this. He will always be a Mystic. There is no way for him to SSJ. That power has been taken away from him. Watch the episodes, Old Kai explains everything.
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Oct 9 2004, 02:37 AM)
gohan never said he didnt need ssj. gohan cannot go ssj. why do you think he went "mystic" instead of ssj when old kai told him to transform? because his mystic replaced all of his transformations. and as ive been saying, even if gohan could go ssj it would do nothing but make him loose energy.

He NEVER said that in the anime. That's what i'm going by. NOT manga.
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no. he cant. the old kai didnt do anything to gohan but unlock his hidden potential. all the power we see him with, is his natural power. it cant just wear off, because then thats saying that gohan's natural power can just wear off.

the anime is based of the mnga. manga=only source for facts. if you try to use the anime, you will be proven wrong pretty much all of the time, like whats happening now.
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Yeah, it is his hidden potential. It is the same thing that happened on Namek with Guru. Once he is mystic he can't go back. Isn't that what the Kai told him?
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Oct 9 2004, 03:03 AM)
no. he cant. the old kai didnt do anything to gohan but unlock his hidden potential. all the power we see him with, is his natural power. it cant just wear off, because then thats saying that gohan's natural power can just wear off.

the anime is based of the mnga. manga=only source for facts. if you try to use the anime, you will be proven wrong pretty much all of the time, like whats happening now.

I'm going by the anime okay, if we go by differnt things, we'll just contradict each other. Since I haven't read the manga (Up to there), but we've both seen the anime, we should go by anime. And when it comes to that, I'm right. Even if we went by the manga, it'd be wrong because he CAN go SS, AND get stronger with the dragon ball's!
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Oct 9 2004, 02:37 AM)
gohan never said he didnt need ssj. gohan cannot go ssj. why do you think he went "mystic" instead of ssj when old kai told him to transform? because his mystic replaced all of his transformations. and as ive been saying, even if gohan could go ssj it would do nothing but make him loose energy.

He NEVER said that in the anime. That's what i'm going by. NOT manga.

You're actually going by the FUNi dub, I think

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See, with each transformation, you can pull out more of your power. With the Kaio-Ken, it let Goku get more of his max out than he could at his base. SSJ doesn't make your max multiply, it pulls out more power.
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you cannot contridact the manga by using the anime. when it comes to debates, you can only use the manga. and even in the anime, you are wrong. it is never stated anywhere that gohan can go ssj after getting his potential unlocked.
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QUOTE (dash142 @ Oct 8 2004, 08:09 PM)

QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Oct 9 2004, 03:03 AM)
no. he cant. the old kai didnt do anything to gohan but unlock his hidden potential. all the power we see him with, is his natural power. it cant just wear off, because then thats saying that gohan's natural power can just wear off.

the anime is based of the mnga. manga=only source for facts. if you try to use the anime, you will be proven wrong pretty much all of the time, like whats happening now.

I'm going by the anime okay, if we go by differnt things, we'll just contradict each other. Since I haven't read the manga (Up to there), but we've both seen the anime, we should go by anime. And when it comes to that, I'm right. Even if we went by the manga, it'd be wrong because he CAN go SS, AND get stronger with the dragon ball's!

The manga is all fact, the anime isn't, and the dub sucks.
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