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Old 09-30-2004   #1 (permalink)
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Trunks (Repressed) - 5

Cyborg Freiza (Not Full Power) - 7,300,000
King Cold - 8,800,000

Super Saiyan Trunks - 16,500,000
Super Saiyan Goku - 17,000,000

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Gohan - 3,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000

SS Goku - 21,000,000
VHD SS Goku - 2,100,000

#19 - 2,500,000

Vegeta - 3,700,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta - 22,000,000

#20 - 3,000,000
#18 - 28,000,000

SS Trunks - 19,000,000

Piccolo - 30,000,000
Cell - 18,000,000

#17 - 30,000,000
Piccolo - 30,000,000

Cell - 35,000,000
#16 - 35,000,000

Imperfect Cell - 50,000,000

Super Vegeta - 70,000,000
Super Trunks - 65,000,000

Perfect Cell - 100,000,000
Super Trunks 2 - 130,000,000

SS Goku - 75,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan - 80,000,000

Full Power Super Saiyan Goku - 150,000,000
Full Power Perfect Cell - 180,000,000
Full Power Super Saiyan Gohan - 160,000,000

Cell Juniors - 180,000,000

Super Vegeta - 125,000,000
Super Trunks - 120,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan - 300,000,000

Imperfect Cell - 50,000,000
Cell's Self Destruction - 200,000,000 (PL x 4)

Super Perfect Cell - 220,000,000
Injured SS2 Gohan - 150,000,000

Super Perfect Cell + Kamehameha = 440,000,000
Injured SS2 Gohan + Kamehameha = 300,000,000

Power Unleashed SS2 Gohan+ Kamehameha = 600,000,000

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Dabura - 200 Million

Pui Pui - 200,000
Vegeta - 30 Million

Yakon - 5 Million
Goku - 10 Million
SS Goku - 250 Million

Dabura (Meditated) - 250 Million
SS2 Gohan - 220 Million

Majin Vegeta - 500 Million
Super Saiyan 2 Goku - 500 Million

Majin Buu - 600 Million
Majin Vegeta's Final Explosion - 2,000,000,000 (PL x 4)

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Goku - 10 Million
SS Goku - 250 Million
SS2 Goku - 500 Million

Super Saiyan 3 Goku - 1,500,000,000
Majin Buu - 600 Million to 1.8 Billion

Gotenks - 200 Million
Super Saiyan Gotenks - 2 Billion

Mr. Buu - 600 Million
Evil Buu - 1.2 Billion
Super Buu - 4 Billion

Gotenks - 250 Million
SS Gotenks - 2.5 Billion

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks - 10 Billion
Chao Gohan - 12 Billion

Buu/Gotenks - 20 Billion
Buu/Piccolo - 4.2 Billion
Buu/Gohan - 25 Billion

Vegito - 750 Million
Super Vegito - 45 Billion

Kid Buu - 1 Billion
SS3 Goku - 1 Billion

Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta - 360 Million
Mister Buu - 600 Million

Super Spirit Bomb - 20 Billion
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QUOTE (Duo @ Sep 30 2004, 12:11 AM)
Super Spirit Bomb - 22.9 Billion

Again, I ask, how did you get this? I'm very curious

I still think you have the character's base levels way to high, but, again, it's a matter of opinion.
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QUOTE (Chibi's Power Levels @ Sep 29 2004, 08:16 PM)

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Super Spirit Bomb - 22.9 Billion

Again, I ask, how did you get this? I'm very curious

I still think you have the character's base levels way to high, but, again, it's a matter of opinion.

You can only use "Matter of opinion" for a select few PL's...the MAJORITY of them have to be based on intelligant thought. And mine are...Vegeta's base being 1/6th of his SS Form and Goku's being 1/25'th of his SS Form.

Super Spirit Bomb Formula - 2.5 (Half of average humans PL)
x 5 Billion (Population in the mid-90's at some time, seemed like a good number)
+ 10.3 Billion (Half of SS3 Gotenks PL and Chao Gohans Power, Put together.)


Although, SS3 Gotenks wasn't present, but the Other Z-fighters and Other planets he drew Ki from would make up that difference.
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you should have drained vegeta too. drained vegeta<<<<dr. gero.

piccolo=17

cell>>>fpssj gohan>>>ussj2 trunks.

yea.....
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Sep 30 2004, 12:20 AM)
you should have drained vegeta too. drained vegeta<<<<dr. gero.

piccolo=17

cell>>>fpssj gohan>>>ussj2 trunks.

yea.....

Correct, Vegeta was bluffing, it was Gero>>>drained Vegeta.

But, Blackmasta, USSJ Trunks>Cell>FP-SSJ Gohan
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Sep 29 2004, 08:20 PM)
you should have drained vegeta too. drained vegeta<<<<dr. gero.

piccolo=17

cell>>>fpssj gohan>>>ussj2 trunks.

yea.....

1) Is that Necessary? We all know he was weaker than Gero after being drained, big whoop.

2) Piccolo had the Power Edge in that battle, and 17 was faster. I got that DISTINCT impression when I read the Manga, so thus it evens out. Plus Picclo had enough power to Kill 17 (Damn Barrier) and being = probably wouldn't allow that, or at least with an Android.

3) Super Trunks 2 >>>> Perfect Cell >> SS Gohan > SS Goku.

Trunks is stated to have more Raw Power then Perfect Cell, and Perfect Cell WASN'T holding back because he had to Buff Up in order to display more power, so his non-buff Perfect Max was significantly Lower than SuperTrunks2.
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QUOTE (Duo @ Sep 30 2004, 12:25 AM)

QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Sep 29 2004, 08:20 PM)
you should have drained vegeta too. drained vegeta<<<<dr. gero.

piccolo=17

cell>>>fpssj gohan>>>ussj2 trunks.

yea.....

1) Is that Necessary? We all know he was weaker than Gero after being drained, big whoop.

2) Piccolo had the Power Edge in that battle, and 17 was faster. I got that DISTINCT impression when I read the Manga, so thus it evens out. Plus Picclo had enough power to Kill 17 (Damn Barrier) and being = probably wouldn't allow that, or at least with an Android.

3) Super Trunks 2 >>>> Perfect Cell >> SS Gohan > SS Goku.

Trunks is stated to have more Raw Power then Perfect Cell, and Perfect Cell WASN'T holding back because he had to Buff Up in order to display more power, so his non-buff Perfect Max was significantly Lower than SuperTrunks2.

LOL, you notice we agree on alot of things? I think Piccolo>#17 (In power level, that is)

My PL's

Piccolo (After the fusion with Kami): 74,000,000
#17: 73,500,000

I fell that they were about equal, but Piccolo was slightly stronger.

And Cell pretty much stated that the buffed out form would be useless anyway, and "anyone can get buff out to become more powerful, but their speed is reduced.)

USSJ Trunks>Cell
Buff Cell>USSJ Trunks

In terms of speed, USSJ Trunks>Cell, so Cell wouldn't want to get buff.
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We disagree on a lot of things too.

But yeah, Piccolo had a power edge on 17, its pretty OBVIOUS.
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Trunks is stated to have more Raw Power then Perfect Cell, and Perfect Cell WASN'T holding back because he had to Buff Up in order to display more power, so his non-buff Perfect Max was significantly Lower than SuperTrunks2.


ok, raw power=/=ki power. raw power is the power of your muscles and what not. if trunks>>>cell in raw power, that doesnt mean his power level is higher. it means that his brute force is higher.
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Power Level is based on Ki, and thats basically Brute Force.

Nyqua, YOUR WRONG.
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in dbz, ones power level is not judged by the size of their muscles. if that were true, than ussj2 trunks' powerlevel would be higher than everyone else's. but thats not the case.
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Super Sayin 3 goku aint one bill.. Vegito is much stronger then a SSJ3 but you made him lower... SSJ3 cannot be equal to Kid BU.. I think Kid buu is strongher. Now again its my opinion.
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Uh, yeah it is. Overall Ki is the measure of ones power level, its not an estimation of many factors, its how much Ki they have.
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QUOTE (Blackmasta925 @ Sep 30 2004, 12:36 AM)

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Trunks is stated to have more Raw Power then Perfect Cell, and Perfect Cell WASN'T holding back because he had to Buff Up in order to display more power, so his non-buff Perfect Max was significantly Lower than SuperTrunks2.


ok, raw power=/=ki power. raw power is the power of your muscles and what not. if trunks>>>cell in raw power, that doesnt mean his power level is higher. it means that his brute force is higher.

No, his power was higher, says Cell. Look at my quote in that other topic.



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50% FPSSJ Goku>>USSJ Vegeta


You realize Vegeta said that Goku had once again surpassed him because Goku said he was using 50% power, right? Therefore, Vegeta may have just estimated how powerful his FP-SSJ would be and said that. It's impossible for ASSJ Vegeta<50% Goku, it's not logical.

And you guys realzie Vegeta was in ASSJ form, not USSJ, right? There's a big difference.
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