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Old 09-10-2004   #1 (permalink)
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I have a question about the Ultimate Super Saiyan stages. (Ultra Super Saiyans)

Goku reached both ussj 1 and ussj 2: Goku first transformed into a ussj 1, Gohan was all amazed, then Goku said he could even go further so he powered up again and he became a ussj 2. All in the hyperbolic time chamber/room of spirit and time.

We have only seen Vegeta as an ussj 1 and we have only seen Future Trunks as an USSJ 2.

But does this meen that Vegeta also reached ussj 2 and that Future Trunks also reached ussj 1, because Vegeta knew that when he would go ussj 2 he would be slower but in order to know that I think he would have become an ussj 2 too feel the difference.

And as for Trunks. He did not realised the error in ussj 2 at first but do you think he only reached ussj 2 just directly or do you all think he first reached ussj 1, then ussj 2 but not realising the error.

So the question: Do you think Vegeta also reached ussj 2 and Future Trunks also ussj 1 but we just never saw it or do you all think they never reached it?????
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ok vegeta reached ussj2, but he saw its flaws,so instead he probally just worked on ussj1.. trunks also went ussj1. chech out the metal coolervs. ussj trunks topic, i posted his pic there.
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a picture of ussj 1 trunks? But he was never shown, just as ussj 2 Well the picture does not work but where did you find it or how did it looked?
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i'll put it here. its kinda small.

ussj trunks.

ussj2 trunks.

ussj1 was shown when he fought vegeta. that ussj1 pic is the exact one from the manga.
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is that ussj 1? I thought it was just SSJ Trunks but it looked different because Trunks had long hair due to the time he spend in the hyperbolic timechamber/room of spirit and time...?

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nope. this is post-rosat ssj trunks

notice the difference in muscle mass b/w all three pictures?
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yes you're right, but when does he use it? Against Vegeta?? Or was it just a stepping stone before he reached ussj 2 against cell??

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he used it when he fought vegeta/tried to stop cell. then he stayed like that during the fight with cell(but pumped them up alittle more). then cell got smart and told him to go ussj2.
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Ow I see!! Well I'm curious now since I couldn't remember it. I think I will download the ep now. Thanks a lot!!
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Trunks made ASSJ (USSJ1), because it is seen.

Vegeta is never seen as USSJ (USSJ2), so no.
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vegeta DID go ussj2. he never used it. how would he know the flaws of it, if he never reached it? how do i know this? trunks says and i quote

"dad broke the super sayian barrier in the first 2 months.(meaning ussj) but he still wasnt satisfied with his power, and kept going(meaning ussj2).
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No Trunks said Vegeta wasn't satisfied until he was sure he did all he could. Get your facts straight. Vegeta never went USSJ, that is stated, when Cell told Trunks about the speed loss he said "oh, that's why Father stopped getting stronger".
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QUOTE (Trunks Master Swordsman03 @ Sep 10 2004, 09:25 PM)
No Trunks said Vegeta wasn't satisfied until he was sure he did all he could. Get your facts straight. Vegeta never went USSJ, that is stated, when Cell told Trunks about the speed loss he said "oh, that's why Father stopped getting stronger".

No Cell said that Vegeta was smart not to go USSJ2 because that would make him worse off than he was. Trunks didn't go USSJ2 while Vegeta was whatching because he thought It was a level above what his dad could reach, but it really wasn't.
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ok then trunks, answer this: how the hell could know the flaws of ussj2, if he never reached it? it was never stated that vegeta never went ussj2. stop pulling stuff out of your ass.
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