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Old 03-02-2004   #61 (permalink)
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i told u hes only soft when his opponent is clearly out matched or begs for mercy, his softness never caused him his life or a battle so it doesnt really matter
I am a goku fan but his softness did kill him be cause he let go of raditz. then had to grab him again in a different way to where he was gonna die too
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Old 03-02-2004   #62 (permalink)
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goku has been 1 step ahead of him all the time, but in cell it was other way round, but for a short time
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vegeta went ascended after a yrs training
goku went same in less than a yr...
vegeta went back in for another yr......didnt improve much
goku didnt
at the tournament goku nearly matched cell but kept losing energy
vegeta couldnt handle cell jr
gohan, managed to do go super saiyan 2 in less than a yr and he wasnt a super saiyan when he went in....and managed to beat cell, WITH vegetas help with his big bang ball???not sure

in buu, goku again as someone said he didnt want vegeta so know abt super saiyan 3, but also gohan did go stronger than goku when he became mystic but with the help of the old kai damnit he shud of taken gohan and vegeta with hercule lolllllz
and same with GT he didnt get to super saiyan 3 but goku went passed 3 and went to 4 but tht didnt helpp much in the last saga of GT
 
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goku has been 1 step ahead of him all the time, but in cell it was other way round, but for a short time
example
vegeta went ascended after a yrs training
goku went same in less than a yr...
vegeta went back in for another yr......didnt improve much
goku didnt
at the tournament goku nearly matched cell but kept losing energy
vegeta couldnt handle cell jr
gohan, managed to do go super saiyan 2 in less than a yr and he wasnt a super saiyan when he went in....and managed to beat cell, WITH vegetas help with his big bang ball???not sure

in buu, goku again as someone said he didnt want vegeta so know abt super saiyan 3, but also gohan did go stronger than goku when he became mystic but with the help of the old kai damnit he shud of taken gohan and vegeta with hercule lolllllz
and same with GT he didnt get to super saiyan 3 but goku went passed 3 and went to 4 but tht didnt helpp much in the last saga of GT
I agree with you on all of your points except when you said gohan was stronger than goku when he went mystic. I hears and have seen that being mystic for gohan is the same as goku ssj3
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if it was then why is ssj3 goku a match for truw buu and mystic gohan has a prob with buu when he absorbed gotenks?
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if it was then why is ssj3 goku a match for truw buu and mystic gohan has a prob with buu when he absorbed gotenks?
I don't know what your sayin. could you specifi
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mystic is no where near ssj3, its sorda like ssj2 ascended i guess...ssj3 goku its a match for the true form of buu while mystic gohan cant even beat buu when he had gotenks's power in him....which is y ssj3 is stronger
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mystic is no where near ssj3, its sorda like ssj2 ascended i guess...ssj3 goku its a match for the true form of buu while mystic gohan cant even beat buu when he had gotenks's power in him....which is y ssj3 is stronger
Oh, i thought you were arguing with me.
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well you proved my point for me
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goku owns that dude all the way
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how did i prove ur point?
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how did i prove ur point?
By saying ssj3 goku is stronger than mystic gohan
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didnt u say mystic is stronger then ssj3?
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