warcrack

Whoops, you were talking about the Gogeta in Movie 12? My estimates were referring to a hypothetical Gogeta, based on the manga. But, in reality, the only real way to see what Gogeta's like is to have Mr. Toriyama make some new stuff up.

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Devilz

No it's not. The multiplier is the same.

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Majuub

Yeah, you invtented the fusion so you know it.

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Devilz

I've already explained why the multiplier would be the same.

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FierceGamer

Majuub666, ur right about a lot of things and what ur saying makes sense except for the part about Vegetto being stronger than Gogeta. It was only stated by the Elder Kai, who doesn't know everything. Like I said before, the Kais are out of their league when it comes to powers like Goku and Vegeta. Or it could be that he meant the portara fusion was better in that there is no time limit, which is definitely a flaw in the Dance method. It just makes the most sense to me that if you take the same 2 ppl and fuse them 2 different ways u get essentially the same thing in a different package.

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SRP76

Ahhhh...I see in another thread that you have the French translation; I have the English translation. That would account for the quotes being different.

Here's what I'm talking about, in the English translation:

DBZ:307, page 6:

Old Kai: Gohan puts the other one on his right ear. Then you combine into one warrior. Just like Fusion. But it'll work even better! Through generations of Lords of Lords this has been treasured!

DBZ:310, page 9:

Kibitoshin: He's incredible!!! Boo is helpless!!! I didn't know the Potara was so powerful!!!

Old Kai: Dolt. Those two have the power.Two of the greatest masters in the worlds of the living and the dead. And it doesn't hurt that they live to outdo each other.

Those are the quotes. The only "statement" about the Potara is that they "work better" than Fusion. That doesn't necessarily mean they create a stronger warrior than Fusion.

And in the second one, when Kibitoshin suggests that very thing, Old Kai goes so far as to call him a "dolt (like calling someone stupid)" for thinking that, instead giving the credit to which warriors were fused, not how they fused.

Taking these together, I can't agree with most people, who say that "Vegito >>>>>>>> Gogeta". These quotes contradict that, and make me believe that any form of Fusion between Goku and Vegeta would be at least nearly as strong as Vegito.

That's why I consider it "Vegito > Gogeta". Not a huge difference. Just a little.

Devilz

Vegito is definitely stronger than Gogeta.

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Majuub

It basicaly proves, Vegeto>Gogeta but not by much, Vegeto last longer so he has one point, the potara works better, we can assume that he is talking about the fact that it will perfectly merge the personalites to create a perfectly balanced warrior, then Kibitoshin says: I didn't know the potara was so powerful, which means it is more powerful than the fusion dance since he already see what the power of the fusion dance was. Vegeto is stronger than Gogeta but not by much.

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Majuub

I don't see how you can explained that

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Devilz

The fusion has a set multiplier, else it would mean that it would be more effective going SSJ first before doing fusion.

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BurningVegeta

Sorry to drag this back up...

Everyone keeps saying this becasuse the Potra permently fusions two people so it ovisobiusly would be stronger than something just put together...

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FierceGamer

Hahaha wow, dude. There it is again. You just bring it up like its fact, but with NO evidence. NONE. If you have some actual evidence to make that claim plausible, then let's hear it. The Elder Kai is the only one hating on the Fusion Dance and even though he has his moments, he's usually just comic relief, an idiot. Nowhere else does it even suggest that Portara might create stronger fighter than the Fusion Dance. So let's hear some evidence instead of restating what you think over and over again. To Majuub666, Kibito only saw the Dance Fusion of Goten and Trunks, not of Goku and Vegeta, so he doesn't really have a context to compare the Fusion Dance with the Portara Fusion. You can't just compare Gotenks to Vegetto and conclude that Portara works better. To Burning Vegeta, how is that obvious? Just because the Dance Fusion is not permanent does not necessarily make it weaker. Again, that's something you've assumed, but don't have evidence for.

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BurningVegeta

Well that is true, lets look at SSJ Vegito, and then SSJ Gogeta, Gogeta did a few "AWESOME" moves then did a move that don't look like either Goku or Vegeta's attacks, Soul Punisher or whatever its called but the same as Gotenks his Galatic Donuts, or Ghost Kamikazi. On the other hand Vegitto did some mega damage on GohanBuu... so now how strong is Janemba than GohanBuu that may help us see which is stronger, Vegitto or Gogeta, then we'll see which would be stronger Portara or Fusion Dance.

Sorry about thAt...

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Evil Vegeta

The Potara fusion is way stronger then the fusion dance, in my honest opinion. Both Fusions dominated their opponents with ease, but Gogeta finished his battle. There
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Evil Vegeta

The Potara fusion is way stronger then the fusion dance, in my honest opinion. Both Fusions dominated their opponents with ease, but Gogeta finished his battle. There

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