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Vegeta Saga - Cell Saga Power Levels
Vegeta Saga
Arrival of Raditz Raditz: 1250 Farmer: 5 Son Goku: 334 - Weights off: 416 - Kamehameha: 924+ Piccolo: 322 - Weights off: 408 - Makenkosappo: 1330 Raditz: 1250 Son Gohan: 1 - True Power: 710 - Enraged: 1307 After the Fight Piccolo: 329 Tenshinhan: 250 Kuririn: 206 Yamcha: 177 Master Roshi: 139 Turtle: 000.1 Vegeta and Nappa Piccolo: 1220 Kuririn: 1083 Son Gohan: 981 Tenshinhan: 1830 Saibamen: 1250 Yamcha: 1480 - Kamehameha: 1500 Saibamen: 1250 - Self destruction: 1800 Chaozu: 1060 - Self Destruction: 1600 Nappa: 4000 Piccolo: 2500 Kuririn: 1770 Nappa: 4000 Tenshinhan(Weakened): 500 - Kikoho: 2600 Nappa: 4000 Son Gohan(Enraged Masenko): 2800 Nappa: 4000 Son Goku(supressed): 5000 - True Power: 8100 - Kaioken: 16,200 Nappa: 4000 - Full Power: 8000 Son Goku: 8100 - Kaioken: 16,200 - Kaioken x3: 24,300 - Kamehameha: 34,000 - Kaioken x4: 32,400 - Kamehameha: 42,000 Vegeta: 16,000 - Full Power: 18,000 - Galic Gun: 34,000 - After Kamehameha: 10,000 - After Moon Ball: 8000 - Oozaru: 80,000 Kuririn: 1400 Yajirobe: 350 Son Gohan(Enraged): 6000 - Weakened: 500 - Oozaru: 5000 Vegeta(No Tail): 3500 Kuririn(Weakened): 500 - Genki Dama: 15,000 ------------------------------------------- Freeza Saga Namek Saga Son Gohan: 1500 Kuririn: 1500 Freeza's Soldiers: 500 Dadoria: 20,000 Vegeta: 24,000 Kiwi: 18,000 Vegeta: 24,000 - Zenkai: 32,000 Zarbon: 22,000 - Monster: 30,000 Nail: 42,000 Freeza: 200,000 Ginyu Force Son Gohan(Guru Power up): 12,500 Kuririn: 11,000 Guldo: 2,500 Vegeta: 34,000 Recoome: 45,000 Son Goku(Supressed): 5000 - Full Power: 90,000 - Kaioken: 180,000 Jheese: 45,000 Butta: 45,000 Captain Ginyu: 120,000 - In Goku's Body: 23,000 Son Gohan: 25,000 Kuririn: 23,000 Son Goku(In Ginyu's Body): 1000 Vegeta: 225,000 Jheese: 45,000 Frezza Vegeta: 375,000 Freeza: 530,000 - Transformed: 1,060,000 Son Gohan: 40,000 - Enraged: 800,000 Piccolo: 8000 - Fused with Nail: 1,250,000 - Weights off: 1,500,000 Freeza: 1,060,000 - Powered up: 1,300,000 - Transformed: 3,000,000 Son Gohan(Enraged): 2,500,000 Vegeta: 2,700,000 Freeza(True Form): 5,000,000 Son Goku: 3,500,000 - Kaioken x10: 35,000,000 - Kaioken x20: 70,000,000 - Genki Dama: 100,000,000 Piccolo: 2,000,000 Freeza: 5,000,000 - 50% Power: 85,000,000 - 70% Power: 125,000,000 Son Goku: 3,500,000 - Super Saiyajin: 190,000,000 Freeza(70%): 125,000,000 - 100% Power: 170,000,000 ------------------------------------------- Cell Saga Cyborg Freeza and King Cold Trunks(supressed): 5 - Full Power: 4,600,000 - Super Saiyajin: 190,000,000 Cyborg Freeza: 4,400,000 King Cold: 4,000,000 Son Goku: 6,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 220,000,000 3 Years Later Yamcha: 50,000 Android 20: 50,000,000 Son Goku: 15,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 320,000,000 - Heart Virus: 100,000,000 Droping Android 19: 45,000,000 - Kamehameha Absorbed: 130,000,000 - Goku's Energy Absorbed: 140,000,000 - Vegeta's Energy Absorbed: 220,000,000 Vegeta: 20,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 350,000,000 - Energy Drained: 270,000,000 Piccolo: 225,000,000 Android 20: 50,000,000 - Vegeta's Blast Absorbed: 165,000,000 - Piccolo's Energy Absorbed: 240,000,000 Android 17: 600,000,000 Android 18: 550,000,000 Super Saiyajin Vegeta: 270,000,000 Super Saiyajin Trunks: 190,000,000 Piccolo: 160,000,000 Tenshinhan: 100,000 Yamcha: 50,000 Cell Arrives Piccolo: 225,000,000 - Fused With Kami: 450,000,000 Imperfect Cell: 380,000,000 Piccolo: 450,000,000 - Weights off: 475,000,000 - Full Power: 600,000,000 Android 17: 600,000,000 Imperfect Cell: 380,000,000 - Absorbed Humans: 750,000,000 Piccolo(Weakened): 400,000,000 Android 16: 750,000,000 - Hell Inferno: 1,000,000,000 Super Cell: 2,500,000,000 Android 16: 750,000,000 Tenshinhan: 100,000 - Shin Kikoho: 1,500,000,000 Vegeta: 250,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 1,000,000,000 - Super Saiyajin Grade 2: 4,000,000,000 Super Cell: 2,500,000,000 - Perfect Cell: 7,000,000,000 - Buff Form: 14,000,000,000 Trunks: 185,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 900,000,000 - Super Saiyajin Grade 3: 10,000,000,000 Cell Games Son Goku: 350,000,000 - Asended Super Saiyajin: 25,000,000,000 Perfect Cell: 30,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 150,000,000 - Asended Super Saiyajin: 28,000,000,000 Son Goku(Tired): 50,000,000 - Asended Super Saiyajin: 1,000,000,000 Vegeta: 325,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 6,500,000,000 Trunks: 280,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 5,000,000,000 Piccolo: 3,000,000,000 - Weights off: 4,500,000,000 Tenshinhan: 120,000 Kuririn: 95,000 Yamcha: 60,000 Cell Juniors: 8,000,000,000 Super Saiyajin 2 Son Gohan: 85,000,000,000 Super Saiyajin 2 Son Gohan: 85,000,000,000 - Weakening: 40,000,000,000 - Kamehameha: 100,000,000,000 - Father/Son Kamehameha: 200,000,000,000 Super Perfect Cell: 70,000,000,000 - Kamehameha: 150,000,000,000 |
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Re: Vegeta Saga - Cell Saga Power Levels
[quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Vegeta: 375,000
Freeza: 530,000[/quote]Though Vegeta was panting just a bit wildly and Freeza's rather laggard posturing denoted that he may have been the stronger of the two in the bout in question as they locked eyes, I doubt if Vegeta was below around 450,000 that he would have kept Freeza at bay in their grapple, so around 450,000 would fall into a better estimate of the such and would be a better template to use to guage at the respective, sheer volume of power (power of the time frame) said combatants wield and display. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Piccolo: 8000 - Fused with Nail: 1,250,000 - Weights off: 1,500,000 Freeza: 1,060,000 - Powered up: 1,300,000 - Transformed: 3,000,000 Son Gohan(Enraged): 2,500,000[/quote]Freeza in his 3rd stage is just a bit too commodious. Not to denounce your own estimation, but I'll expound - Freeza effortlessly outstripped the unweighted Piccolo's top speed at that point, but certainly not the degree at which he would at a 2x difference (such as, Goku against most of the Ginyu Force or Goku against the non-full power Nappa). Given that Piccolo held his own rather well against many a chi gestures Piccolo was bound up in, or Kiais, if you prefer, until his arms fell forward and he staggered back into what would have tersely become unconsciousness had Dende not healed him. It wasn't a one-blow knock-out.... such as Goku vs. Reacoom. Given these facts, I wouldn't put Freeza anyplace above 2,500,000, and at the very least, 2,100,000 for said reasons. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Vegeta: 2,700,000 Freeza(True Form): 5,000,000[/quote]Also low for Vegeta to follow Freeza's attack yet still be a long stride from his rival. I wouldn't go below 3,300,000 for Vegeta. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]- Super Saiyajin: 190,000,000 Freeza(70%): 125,000,000 - 100% Power: 170,000,000[/quote]They fought a completely on-par and tantamount battle. Goku had a narrow edge, but not enough to treat a 1.1x difference with merit. I wouldn't go anyplace below 176,000,000 nonwithstanding. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Trunks(supressed): 5 - Full Power: 4,600,000 - Super Saiyajin: 190,000,000[/quote]Gohan stated Trunk's chi was the same chi he felt on Namek, and that of a Super Saiyan, not on equal footing in a terms of power alone, or that they stood the same in power. Trunks hints to being noticeably stronger, physically and mentally, than SSj Goku on Namek, so to go below around 210,000,000 - 220,000,000 is a tad precarious to no end. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Vegeta: 20,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 350,000,000 - Energy Drained: 270,000,000[/quote]Vegeta had a Senzu after his chi was drained by #19, so he should be back to full capacity. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Imperfect Cell: 380,000,000 - Absorbed Humans: 750,000,000 Piccolo(Weakened): 400,000,000 Android 16: 750,000,000 - Hell Inferno: 1,000,000,000[/quote]Piccolo was out of breath and bleared, but not so much so that he couldn't still equal #17 off. To say differently is to go off on a not-so-good footing. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Super Cell: 2,500,000,000 Android 16: 750,000,000 Tenshinhan: 100,000 - Shin Kikoho: 1,500,000,000[/quote]If Cell after absorbing #17 was over 3x stronger than #16, #16 would not have only had his head nonchalantly caved in but would not have survived the uncharged chi blasts subsequently flared up after he broke away from his trapping gaze. I wouldn't go above 1,250,000,000 for 'Super Cell'. [quote user="Piccolo the Super Namekian"]Vegeta: 250,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 1,000,000,000 - Super Saiyajin Grade 2: 4,000,000,000 Super Cell: 2,500,000,000 - Perfect Cell: 7,000,000,000 - Buff Form: 14,000,000,000 Trunks: 185,000,000 - Super Saiyajin: 900,000,000 - Super Saiyajin Grade 3: 10,000,000,000[/quote]Cell is just a bit high in his inaugural Complete State considering the events of the Final Flash, and SSj Type 3 Trunks is also a bit high to just 'exceed' Cell by my recollection, but the difference in question works. Where fastidiously is Complete Cell at full power and in his 'Buff Form' ? Otherwise, there is many a somewhat paltry disagreeance when it comes to certain power discrepancies, but it's not a terrible listing by any stretch of the imagination. 7-8/10, as an overall (and as a standalone).
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