gogeta is # 1

In Dragonball, Goku states that he got stronger after getting his tail back. In DBZ, suppose Goku has a tail. What would his power level difference be. For example, someone could say:
Goku (base) -1 Note: I just made these up as an example so don't correct me.
Goku ssj -5
Goku ssj2 -20
Goku ssj3 -30
Goku (base) with tail -1.1
Goku ssj with tail -5.5
Goku ssj2 with tail -22
Goku ssj3 with tail -33

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JAIF

So basically, you want a "tail-presence" multiplier. Oh well, in Dragonball I'd take a guess at 1.1x---1.2x. Maybe even that is too much. I don't think the tail makes such a significant difference. I am of the belief though it wouldn't affect the powerlevel once the Saiyan aquires Super forms at all. Just a personal thought, because the absence of a tail when characters turn Super Saiyan indicates "abandoning" the original Saiyan brutality and reaching new, more sophisticated and elegant forms of destruction--basically, civilizing themselves if you want. It's not that I'm saying a tail affects whether you can turn Super Saiyan or not, or that all Super Saiyans are less brutal than common Saiyans, but I've somehow connected the absence of a tail with the Super Saiyan forms with the "taming" of the Saiyan's bestial nature. That's just a thought though. In the non-canon universe, with examples like Brolli and SSj4 Goku, it is clearly shown to be otherwise.

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gogeta is # 1

<blockquote>I don't think the tail makes such a significant difference.
</blockquote>The tail makes a big difference. They are:

1. The Sayian has the tail weakness (again) All of these things matter because of the agility. Better fighting by agility.
2. More agility (This depends on peoples' opinion)
3. Oozaro for no reason
4. New way of fighting like choking opponent with the tail
5. A new look
6. etc.

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HerrGeiger

How come number six is etcetera? Shouldn't be you be elaborating on your point, not being lazy? Just a thought.

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JAIF

And by the way, you were talking about power. If you mean like in general, or whatever you mean by that weird post, you should probably post this somewhere else. Or in a fashion magazine <_<.

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gogeta is # 1

<blockquote>How come number six is etcetera? Shouldn't be you be elaborating on your point, not being lazy? Just a thought.
</blockquote>Yes I should be showing people my point and I admit that I am very lazy. Its just that someone having a tail has like a million more options.
<blockquote>If you mean like in general, or whatever you mean by that weird post, you should probably post this somewhere else. Or in a fashion magazine <_<.
</blockquote>Well, with that post that I admit is very weird itself has a point though. I was replying to one of your thoughts.
<blockquote>So basically, you want a "tail-presence" multiplier. Oh well, in Dragonball I'd take a guess at 1.1x---1.2x. Maybe even that is too much. I don't think the tail makes such a significant difference. I am of the belief though it wouldn't affect the powerlevel once the Saiyan aquires Super forms at all. Just a personal thought, because the absence of a tail when characters turn Super Saiyan indicates "abandoning" the original Saiyan brutality and reaching new, more sophisticated and elegant forms of destruction--basically, civilizing themselves if you want. It's not that I'm saying a tail affects whether you can turn Super Saiyan or not, or that all Super Saiyans are less brutal than common Saiyans, but I've somehow connected the absence of a tail with the Super Saiyan forms with the "taming" of the Saiyan's bestial nature. That's just a thought though. In the non-canon universe, with examples like Brolli and SSj4 Goku, it is clearly shown to be otherwise.
</blockquote>At least list it down like the example in my first post.

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JAIF

LOL I was joking don't take that as an insulting comment. But all of the things you mentioned don't have anything to do with power level. You asked for a multiplier so it's about power level.
*sighs* I don't know why you need the list after I gave you my opinion of the multiplier... anyway
-Goku (base): 10
-Goku (base, with tail): 12
-Goku (SSj): 200
-Goku (SSj, with tail): 220
-Goku (SSj2): 1,000
-Goku (SSj2, with tail): 1,100
-Goku (SSj3): 3,000
-Goku (SSj3, with tail): 3,300
-Goku (SSj4): 33,000
oh well that's just a guess though. I just used my multipliers for the SSj forms and added a tail multiplier which decreases when in SSj except in SSj4. That simple.

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warpig1691z

Okay. I have been working on perfecting a Power Levels Guide (based on the US Dub Anime) for a little over nine years now. While doing this I came up with a system based on individual abilities (strength, skill, agility), as well as the given power levels including the fact that human have an average of level of 5. This helped me find modifiers to attacks, attributes, status, and transformations. For the tail, I am going to use the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament fight between Goku and Giran. The following are power levels that I have calculated...
Giran: 112 (this would mean being 22x stronger than a average human, but if you assume that someone of Olympic athlete stature was at about a 10, then this would be very accurate, as Giran does defeat several well trained martial artists from Krillin&rsquo;s temple [with power levels around 30 each] with out even exerting himself, and was still able to take a forceful kick from Yamcha [about 87] without filling it.)
Goku (without tail): 98 (Goku was beaten down relatively easy by Giran, and yet the difference between he [Goku] and Yamcha's power was still gapped [though not as severely as most guides suggest].)
Goku (with tail): 135 (this is one of the few levels that is similar each time you see it. This is based a lot off of the power level of Master Roshi in the Saiyan/Vegeta saga [139, and yes his level would be around 139 in the tournament because Master Roshi had mentioned that he had not trained in a long time, and he also struggled with some of the feats that Goku and Krillin accomplished {pushing the boulders}], Goku was only slightly below this level)
With these precise calculations, the multiplying factor for a Saiyans tail is 1.377. Now, this is what you would get for Super Saiyan 3 Goku if he had a tail when he fought, let&rsquo;s say, Kid Buu.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 434,000,000 (this is simply based on my factor system of his progression through the series.)
Super Saiyan 3 Goku (with tail): 597,618,000
As you can see it would have made a colossal difference if the case had been that his tail re-grew in the Buu saga or at any time in the series where he transforms into a Super Saiyan 3.

LegendarySSJ7

[quote user="warpig1691z"]
Okay. I have been working on perfecting a Power Levels Guide (based on the US Dub Anime) for a little over nine years now. While doing this I came up with a system based on individual abilities (strength, skill, agility), as well as the given power levels including the fact that human have an average of level of 5. This helped me find modifiers to attacks, attributes, status, and transformations. For the tail, I am going to use the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament fight between Goku and Giran. The following are power levels that I have calculated...


Giran: 112 (this would mean being 22x stronger than a average human, but if you assume that someone of Olympic athlete stature was at about a 10, then this would be very accurate, as Giran does defeat several well trained martial artists from Krillin&rsquo;s temple [with power levels around 30 each] with out even exerting himself, and was still able to take a forceful kick from Yamcha [about 87] without filling it.)


Goku (without tail): 98 (Goku was beaten down relatively easy by Giran, and yet the difference between he [Goku] and Yamcha's power was still gapped [though not as severely as most guides suggest].)


Goku (with tail): 135 (this is one of the few levels that is similar each time you see it. This is based a lot off of the power level of Master Roshi in the Saiyan/Vegeta saga [139, and yes his level would be around 139 in the tournament because Master Roshi had mentioned that he had not trained in a long time, and he also struggled with some of the feats that Goku and Krillin accomplished {pushing the boulders}], Goku was only slightly below this level)


With these precise calculations, the multiplying factor for a Saiyans tail is 1.377. Now, this is what you would get for Super Saiyan 3 Goku if he had a tail when he fought, let&rsquo;s say, Kid Buu.


Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 434,000,000 (this is simply based on my factor system of his progression through the series.)


Super Saiyan 3 Goku (with tail): 597,618,000


As you can see it would have made a colossal difference if the case had been that his tail re-grew in the Buu saga or at any time in the series where he transforms into a Super Saiyan 3.


[/quote]That's nice and voluble, but... this is a rather inexorable subject of thought considering the anime, let alone the dub anime is no place near having pertinence here (and if you want an exuberantly accurate guide, the original Manga as construed by VIZ would be your first choice nonwithstanding). Perhaps this will be an invigorating read if you'd have a lapse into this territory (when guaging Goku accessing SSj3 power as such upon your leisure):


http://mfgforums.com/forums/thread/85131.aspx

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gogeta is # 1

<blockquote>*sighs* I don't know why you need the list after I gave you my opinion of the multiplier... anyway
</blockquote>I wanted to see the list too because it makes it looks more organized and visual along with the explanation.

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