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1) When Vegeta and Goku were inside Shin Buu why couldn't they destroy his body? Sure he was a lot bigger than them but Vegeta and Goku in their natural state could destroy planets. Isn't the amount of energy you can exert the same no matter the size?
2) Why did Vegeta and Goku make so much a fuss about their escape? Couldn't Goku use Shunkan Ido and teleport them out of Buu's body instantly?
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1) Destroying Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Destroying a planet. But it also seemed like Goku and Vegeta were weaker because of their seize. Because Buu says something like, that they are smaller than a fly, hinting about their power. But it doesn't make sense that Goku and Vegeta lost power when they were inside Buu...
2) This is a very good question. Maybe it had to do with something about Buu's magic, and how they were absorbed into him, but I can't find a reasonable explaination. |
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to teleport there has to be someone of considerable power within the range you can sence. Who was left on earth or near enough for goku to sence? Hercule? Dendae? both people with insignificant power levels that could not be senced.
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1. My guess is they became weaker due to their size
2. Son Goku wouldn't teleport out because the whole reason for being there was to free the others. |
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[quote user="DTV"]to teleport there has to be someone of considerable power within the range you can sence. Who was left on earth or near enough for goku to sence? Hercule? Dendae? both people with insignificant power levels that could not be senced.[/quote]
Actually I think he could sense Dende's energy level. But maybe he couldn't telported everyone who was in buu's body out.
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1) Destroying Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Destroying a planet. But it also seemed like Goku and Vegeta were weaker because of their seize. Because Buu says something like, that they are smaller than a fly, hinting about their power. But it doesn't make sense that Goku and Vegeta lost power when they were inside Buu...
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________ Yet destroying Buu isn't that difficult as you make it seem, the catch here is that Buu can so easily regenerate. Even if they lost power, which doesn't make any sense, they'd still be able to blow a decent hole in Buu's body, even if they were small enough to fit in his stomach, if at their normal state they could wipe out planets or--by Cell--solar systems. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________ 1. I'm thinking maybe their strength was weaken by like half when they were shrunk. 2. Kind of continutation of my answer to #1. I'm thinking it might of put a lot of stress on Goku's body. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________ 1. Yet they could go Super Saiya-jinn 2 and fight relatively well against Shin Buu 2. Energy needed to transform >> Energy needed to teleport __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________ to teleport there has to be someone of considerable power within the range you can sence. Who was left on earth or near enough for goku to sence? Hercule? Dendae? both people with insignificant power levels that could not be senced. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________ No. Just someone. Who says Goku can't sense Dende or Mr Satan? Besides, to answer the first question: Tenshinhan. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________ 2. Son Goku wouldn't teleport out because the whole reason for being there was to free the others. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________ Goku could just grab the rest and then teleport
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1. Dont know if you remember or not, but in the manga Goku tells Shin Buu not to come any closer or he'll blast a hole through his body. Shin Buu laughs. Goku says "You think I cant do it?" Shin Buu says no, that he cant. Goku blasts his body from the inside, and it hardly does anything. And then Shin Buu says "Like being bitten by a flea...". So I guess he cannot exert the same amount of energy if you're smaller. [at least in Buu's body]
2. Cause Goku is a numbnut. Seriously though, I have no idea on that one. Maybe he just didnt think about it at the time. Or maybe he wanted to conserve energy for Buu. Who knows?
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1. I'm of the notion that it was because he would still be quite a lot weaker than Boo. While inside his body, he and Vegeta were only Mastered SSjs. Even while as a SSj3 Goku couldn't put up a fight against Shin Boo. The above poster's idea is a good one also. Perhaps their energy blasts, because of their size, couldn't penetrate Boo's body. If they were normal size, Goku's blast would be about the size of a basket ball, or so. Being able to cover more of Boo's body.
2. Well, he couldn't really touch Vegeta at that time. And I'm sure he wanted everyone out at the same time. And as you know, if someone isn't touching him while using teleportation, they don't go with him. |
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1) That's my point Goku can destroy a planet with an energy ball that's like 1/1,000,000 of the planet in size even less, but he can't destroy Buu's body when he is inside of him? And the "power loss" idea is a bit weird, considering the fight Goku and Vegeta put up against Shin Buu. And size doesn't really matter, because Goku felt confident that his blast would really blast off Buu's body even though he knew it was too small to cover enough of it. So I guess we have to go by the power loss idea.
2) Well he had the opportunity to be in physical contact with everyone at the same time-Vegeta grabbing Piccolo and Trunks and Goku Gohan and Goten and then Vegeta flying to Goku, then Goku teleporting. After all, he did something like that when Chibi Buu was about to destroy the Earth.
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[quote user="SuperVegetto3"] 1) That's my point Goku can destroy a planet with an energy ball that's like 1/1,000,000 of the planet in size even less, but he can't destroy Buu's body when he is inside of him? And the "power loss" idea is a bit weird, considering the fight Goku and Vegeta put up against Shin Buu. And size doesn't really matter, because Goku felt confident that his blast would really blast off Buu's body even though he knew it was too small to cover enough of it. So I guess we have to go by the power loss idea.
2) Well he had the opportunity to be in physical contact with everyone at the same time-Vegeta grabbing Piccolo and Trunks and Goku Gohan and Goten and then Vegeta flying to Goku, then Goku teleporting. After all, he did something like that when Chibi Buu was about to destroy the Earth. [/quote] I don't see the power loss idea working. Look at Vegetto turning itno a coffee condy. He retained all of his power. And had there been any type of power loss for Goku and Vegeta, they would have noted it. Also, the effect should have applied to Gohan and the others, as they were the same size, but it didn't. That was Kibito-shin that teleported them all. If you want an out of the box answer, more dramatic effect. |
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[quote user="Tyro"][quote user="SuperVegetto3"] 1) That's my point Goku can destroy a planet with an energy ball that's like 1/1,000,000 of the planet in size even less, but he can't destroy Buu's body when he is inside of him? And the "power loss" idea is a bit weird, considering the fight Goku and Vegeta put up against Shin Buu. And size doesn't really matter, because Goku felt confident that his blast would really blast off Buu's body even though he knew it was too small to cover enough of it. So I guess we have to go by the power loss idea.
2) Well he had the opportunity to be in physical contact with everyone at the same time-Vegeta grabbing Piccolo and Trunks and Goku Gohan and Goten and then Vegeta flying to Goku, then Goku teleporting. After all, he did something like that when Chibi Buu was about to destroy the Earth. [/quote] I don't see the power loss idea working. Look at Vegetto turning itno a coffee condy. He retained all of his power. And had there been any type of power loss for Goku and Vegeta, they would have noted it. Also, the effect should have applied to Gohan and the others, as they were the same size, but it didn't. That was Kibito-shin that teleported them all. If you want an out of the box answer, more dramatic effect. [/quote] 1) Lol Vegeto was special. That was the whole point of it no matter what you did to him you still got owned by him. (By "you" I mean Buu). But if the power loss doesn't work then what explains it? 2) Oh yeah you're right. But why would that make any difference? The opposite, Goku has even faster reflexes than the god.
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[quote user="SuperVegetto3"] 1) Lol Vegeto was special. That was the whole point of it no matter what you did to him you still got owned by him. (By "you" I mean Buu). But if the power loss doesn't work then what explains it?
2) Oh yeah you're right. But why would that make any difference? The opposite, Goku has even faster reflexes than the god.[/quote] Not really. He was just really strong. What other way can you look at it from? And like I said, they were in their SSj forms. They were immensly weaker than Shin Boo. Unless he lets something go through his body on purpose, it would have the same effect as the same thing hitting Cell. Like the way bullets went through Boo, but while fighting Gotenks, his punches wouldn't. The difference is different types of teleportation. Kibito-shin can teleport to any place. Goku can teleport to any ki (or any place he can see, like at the Cell game). |
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[quote user="Tyro"][quote user="SuperVegetto3"] 1) Lol Vegeto was special. That was the whole point of it no matter what you did to him you still got owned by him. (By "you" I mean Buu). But if the power loss doesn't work then what explains it?
2) Oh yeah you're right. But why would that make any difference? The opposite, Goku has even faster reflexes than the god.[/quote] Not really. He was just really strong. What other way can you look at it from? And like I said, they were in their SSj forms. They were immensly weaker than Shin Boo. Unless he lets something go through his body on purpose, it would have the same effect as the same thing hitting Cell. Like the way bullets went through Boo, but while fighting Gotenks, his punches wouldn't. The difference is different types of teleportation. Kibito-shin can teleport to any place. Goku can teleport to any ki (or any place he can see, like at the Cell game). [/quote] 1) Hm what you are implying is that Vegeto was so strong that even as a candy he was stronger than Shin Buu (Gohan prime)... but by Vegeto's own admittion, he was still as strong as ever... so his power didn't decrease at all, in spite of everyone's expectations. So he was special. 2) So? There were Dende and Mr Satan outside, and if I'm not mistaken, Tenshinhan was there alive as well--besides, they could even teleport to the planet of the Kaioshin if they wanted to.
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