Gohan Strength? Can it get stronger? - Page 2

Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin · 12-06-2006

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I don't think manga is the only thing canon.

I stopped reading right there. It doesn't matter whether or not you think its canon. The only items accepted as canon are the original works of Akira Toriyama (or in other words, the manga). So please try to stick with canon information, unless you go to the GT/Movies or AF section where you can usw information from the movies and the fan-made AF series.

OberstGeiger · 12-06-2006

Well, considering that you most likly read what I said, you are ignoring the fact that I state GT and movies are non-canon. I just don't think Manga can be the only thing that is canon. And just because some of us say its canon, does that mean its canon? I mean, could the Anime be more or less canon with the exception of filler being present?
EDIT: And please, someone, find where Toriyama states that the Manga is the only canon thing. I know that the Manga is canon, just that to my knowledge, it is never stated that its canon while most fictional works are stated to be canon or not.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-06-2006

[quote user="HerrGeiger"]
I don't think manga is the only thing canon. Take a look at Star Wars books; not written by George Lucas but they are accepted as canon regardless. I mean, do not get me wrong, I'm not saying GT is canon. The thing is, the movies are definately not canon under the definiton of canon in reference to fiction. But I can say that GT is a non-canon spin off; thats about it because it slightly tries to tie in with the GT universe.

In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe
comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be
genuine, and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are
considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe.
In order for the fictional universe to appear cohesive, especially in
fictions that contain multiple parts, both creators and audiences
sometimes find it useful to define what has and has not "actually
happened" in that universe. Usually items that are considered canon
come from the original source of the fictional universe while non-canonspin-offs or unofficial items, often in different media. material comes from adaptations,

I also want to point out that canon originated from Sherlock Holmes books to make a catergory to place the original works and adaptations in another catergory. Also, I've never seen GT but I already know that its quality is that of a lacking nature.

I'd say, on the topic of Gohan becoming stronger, there is nothing canon (keeping off topic) that Gohan would do to become stronger than what he was last seen in Z as. Undoubtly there would be other ways of getting him stronger, just not through Super Saiyajin.

EDIT: Quote comes from Wikipedia though; not sure on its reliability.

[/quote]Wikipedia is no place near relapsing into 'reliability'. It's a penchant for fandom at large (something user-based) and therefore can easily be disputed for factuality with no real structure. Though not to deviate so stupefyingly from Dragonball... but I doubt anything outside of what George Lucas writes would lapse into the realm of 'canon' in the Star Wars universe (though I suppose it's a fracas?), in the circumstance and subject of thought of Dragonball, if it is not Toriyama-sensei's original work (the Canon Manga of the root truths) then it is not canon (unless Toriyama-sensei deems otherwise).

As for the original and rebound subject of discussion, again, Super Saiyan was ceded in a terms of the power Gohan would activate (after the ritual in question, when one would term his as 'Ultimate' or 'Saikyo no' Gohan), by Rou Kaioshin's own admittion. Off-topic GT plotholes aside, that is the answer, no less.

OberstGeiger · 12-06-2006

I would assume, correctly hopefully, that Ultimate Gohan could get stronger via training as the Super Saiyajin transformations are negated in total form. I guess my question, on topic, is Gohan could get stronger through training right?

Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin · 12-06-2006

[quote user="HerrGeiger"] Well, considering that you most likly read what I said, you are ignoring the fact that I state GT and movies are non-canon. I just don't think Manga can be the only thing that is canon. And just because some of us say its canon, does that mean its canon? I mean, could the Anime be more or less canon with the exception of filler being present?
EDIT: And please, someone, find where Toriyama states that the Manga is the only canon thing. I know that the Manga is canon, just that to my knowledge, it is never stated that its canon while most fictional works are stated to be canon or not.
[/quote]
Please try to understand. The only thing that is canon is the original creation of the author. Anything else not seen in the manga, may it be filler, GT, or Movies, are considered as "non-canon" whether you like it or not.
So I don't stray to far from the topic I'll answer the question with my opinion. I'd say no, Gohan could not get any stronger even if he trained or had attempted to receive a Zenkai. For one thing, Zenkai's have never been proven to occur in half-blooded Sayajins. Secondly, Gohan was put at the acme of his power, a level that no amount of training could take him to. He is at the most powerful level he will ever reach.

**JAIF** · 12-06-2006

Lol for Gohan the mystic form was like his base form if he trained he could grow like a thousand times stronger for all we know and, after some time, the Super Saiya-jinn transformations would start having effect again, and he would be like "Mystic Gohan SSj". But unless he trains and develops his body Gohan won't grow stronger than his Ultimate form. But Super Saiya-jinn transformations are never stated to be "negated", just not needed because Gohan doesn't have anymore power to draw upon in order to transform.

12-06-2006	#17 (permalink)
OberstGeiger (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 1,169 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 81	Re: Gohan Strength? Can it get stronger? Well, considering that you most likly read what I said, you are ignoring the fact that I state GT and movies are non-canon. I just don't think Manga can be the only thing that is canon. And just because some of us say its canon, does that mean its canon? I mean, could the Anime be more or less canon with the exception of filler being present? EDIT: And please, someone, find where Toriyama states that the Manga is the only canon thing. I know that the Manga is canon, just that to my knowledge, it is never stated that its canon while most fictional works are stated to be canon or not. __________________ Fan fusions will FUCK your Shit UP!

12-06-2006	#18 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Gohan Strength? Can it get stronger? [quote user="HerrGeiger"] I don't think manga is the only thing canon. Take a look at Star Wars books; not written by George Lucas but they are accepted as canon regardless. I mean, do not get me wrong, I'm not saying GT is canon. The thing is, the movies are definately not canon under the definiton of canon in reference to fiction. But I can say that GT is a non-canon spin off; thats about it because it slightly tries to tie in with the GT universe. In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be genuine, and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe. In order for the fictional universe to appear cohesive, especially in fictions that contain multiple parts, both creators and audiences sometimes find it useful to define what has and has not "actually happened" in that universe. Usually items that are considered canon come from the original source of the fictional universe while non-canonspin-offs or unofficial items, often in different media. material comes from adaptations, I also want to point out that canon originated from Sherlock Holmes books to make a catergory to place the original works and adaptations in another catergory. Also, I've never seen GT but I already know that its quality is that of a lacking nature. I'd say, on the topic of Gohan becoming stronger, there is nothing canon (keeping off topic) that Gohan would do to become stronger than what he was last seen in Z as. Undoubtly there would be other ways of getting him stronger, just not through Super Saiyajin. EDIT: Quote comes from Wikipedia though; not sure on its reliability. [/quote]Wikipedia is no place near relapsing into 'reliability'. It's a penchant for fandom at large (something user-based) and therefore can easily be disputed for factuality with no real structure. Though not to deviate so stupefyingly from Dragonball... but I doubt anything outside of what George Lucas writes would lapse into the realm of 'canon' in the Star Wars universe (though I suppose it's a fracas?), in the circumstance and subject of thought of Dragonball, if it is not Toriyama-sensei's original work (the Canon Manga of the root truths) then it is not canon (unless Toriyama-sensei deems otherwise). As for the original and rebound subject of discussion, again, Super Saiyan was ceded in a terms of the power Gohan would activate (after the ritual in question, when one would term his as 'Ultimate' or 'Saikyo no' Gohan), by Rou Kaioshin's own admittion. Off-topic GT plotholes aside, that is the answer, no less. __________________

12-06-2006	#19 (permalink)
OberstGeiger (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 1,169 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 81	Re: Gohan Strength? Can it get stronger? I would assume, correctly hopefully, that Ultimate Gohan could get stronger via training as the Super Saiyajin transformations are negated in total form. I guess my question, on topic, is Gohan could get stronger through training right? __________________ Fan fusions will FUCK your Shit UP!

12-06-2006	#20 (permalink)
Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sitting in a secluded room Posts: 421 Rep Power: 4	Re: Gohan Strength? Can it get stronger? [quote user="HerrGeiger"] Well, considering that you most likly read what I said, you are ignoring the fact that I state GT and movies are non-canon. I just don't think Manga can be the only thing that is canon. And just because some of us say its canon, does that mean its canon? I mean, could the Anime be more or less canon with the exception of filler being present? EDIT: And please, someone, find where Toriyama states that the Manga is the only canon thing. I know that the Manga is canon, just that to my knowledge, it is never stated that its canon while most fictional works are stated to be canon or not. [/quote] Please try to understand. The only thing that is canon is the original creation of the author. Anything else not seen in the manga, may it be filler, GT, or Movies, are considered as "non-canon" whether you like it or not. So I don't stray to far from the topic I'll answer the question with my opinion. I'd say no, Gohan could not get any stronger even if he trained or had attempted to receive a Zenkai. For one thing, Zenkai's have never been proven to occur in half-blooded Sayajins. Secondly, Gohan was put at the acme of his power, a level that no amount of training could take him to. He is at the most powerful level he will ever reach. __________________ Current Manga Being Read: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, YuYu Hakusho ---- Incase you're wondering this is V-TMPS

12-06-2006	#21 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Gohan Strength? Can it get stronger? Lol for Gohan the mystic form was like his base form if he trained he could grow like a thousand times stronger for all we know and, after some time, the Super Saiya-jinn transformations would start having effect again, and he would be like "Mystic Gohan SSj". But unless he trains and develops his body Gohan won't grow stronger than his Ultimate form. But Super Saiya-jinn transformations are never stated to be "negated", just not needed because Gohan doesn't have anymore power to draw upon in order to transform. __________________ Empty until further notice.