Question about Dabura

TobiGoodBoy · 11-28-2006

All you powerlevel writers are putting Dabura v Super sayian gohan
But if i remember correctly Goku said...
"He's even stronger than Cell" So...
Cell At Post- Self destruct is just a tiny tiny tiny bit weaker than Super sayian 2 Gohan. Also Vegeta said that Gohan got weaker. That means Dabura would be much higher than ever Super sayian 2 Gohan not mentioning super sayian 1. It would go something like this
Super Sayian 2 Gohan: 30,000,000,000
Cell (Post-self destruct): 28,000,000,000
Dabura: 35,000,000,000
Super sayian Gohan (Adult): 12,500,000,000
Super Sayian 2 Gohan (Adult): 25,000,000,000

Broly · 11-28-2006

Alright. We really dont know if Post-Regeneration Cell is stronger or weaker than SSj2 Kid Gohan. But I think he could be a little stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan due to the simple uncharged blast Cell threw that hit and paralyzed Gohan's arm.
Also, Gohan was only SSj1 when he fought Dabura. Did you see any sparks? No. Gohan [in his SSj1 form] has a slight disadvantage against Dabura. MSSj Kid Gohan back in the Cell Games was probably slightly stronger than Powered Up Perfect Cell, so since he got weaker in the 7 year period he would obviously be below or close to Powered Up Perfect Cell in power. Meaning that Dabura is slightly stronger than that level of Cell. Powered Up Perfect Cell must be the level that Goku was talking about. [when he compared Dabura to Cell] Lets say he was talking about Full Power Perfect Cell for example. First of all, it wouldnt be possible because Gohan is supposed to be weaker in the Buu Arc than in the Cell Arc. You see what I mean? There is definately no way that Goku was talking about Post-Regeneration Cell.
Dabura just isnt that powerful, and SSj1 Teen Gohan [Buu Arc] cant be stronger than his MSSj Kid-self.

TobiGoodBoy · 11-28-2006

I'm assuming that Goku was talking about Cell at full power. And even if he was talking about normal cell lets look at that.
Cell: 14,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 30,000,000,000
Dabura: 18,000,000,000
SSJ Adult Gohan: 12,500,000,000
SSJ2 Adult Gohan: 25,000,000,000
So that means Dabura still would have dominated Gohan. But not at Super sayian 2. And don't bother saying Dabura is a bit weaker than that. Go as low as you like. But its still above Gohan and Cell. And it seems that the battle between Gohan and Dabura was equal. MAybe Gohan was a bit more stronger as he could outrun Dabura's 'spits'. Argue with that.

Broly · 11-28-2006

Before we go on, I would like to ask where you got those power levels.
Also, If you've seen SSj1 Gohan fight Dabura than you would know that Gohan started out okay, but eventually ended up on the defensive. Dabura was stronger, they werent equal. And just because you can dodge attacks doesnt mean that you are the stronger one. Gohan had a slight disadvantage in power and strength, you could see this clearly if you saw their fight.
You are "assuming", huh? Look at the facts first before you make assumptions. Cause the facts are stated right above in my first post. And I really dont feel like repeating myself. Please look at it again. Next time you post please tell me where you got those powerlevels.

**JAIF** · 11-28-2006

Facts:
MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga) >= Powered-up Pefect Cell
MSSj Gohan (Babi-dee saga) < MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga)
Perfect Cell (post regeneration) >> MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga)
Dabura > MSSj Gohan (Babi-dee saga)
So
Perfect Cell (post regeneration) >> MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga) </=/> Dabura >= Powered-up Perfect Cell >= MSSj Gohan (Babi-dee saga)
Anything else, in my opinion, defies logic

**LegendarySSJ7** · 11-29-2006

Not exactly. Allow me to clarify on this matter (as I've done on one thread too many).

What Goku states in Volume 22 of the Manga is that he guestimates Dabra and Complete Cell were about the same in power. Now, while the last chi of Complete Cell Goku felt was that emanating from Complete Cell at full power, he couldn't possibly mean that, seeing as how MSSj Gohan at full power (Cell Games) wasn't anyplace close to the amount of output of Complete Cell at full power (and the aura input of a completely different realm) and Vegeta comments that the Gohan of the Boo Saga Arc was infinitely weaker than the one of the Cell Saga Arc, that he was a lot better then. And that there were no bolts of lightning dancing over (and consistently appearing in full, though they didn't appear at all) Gohan's aura against Dabra - the telltale sign that he's accessing SSj2. So... why wouldn't he access SSj2? Simple: The boundless conceit that gave him the drive to prolong Cell's defeat to the degree of indirectly causing his own father's death and anyplace near to the end of Earth, through a flight of steps.

As we can see, the SSj2 state is shown to be somewhat chaotic and not so-much so under control (as caving in the landscape and easily busting in craters into the landscape amongst rushing air and churning up winds, and basically drawing blood in a relatively short amount of time, and basically messing up the landscape to an even great degree rather quickly, goes to show). But more that the dancing bolts of lightning break out in all directions somewhat vehemently and that whilst following the psychological joist, things drastically change (though this didn't obstruct Goku and Vegeta). This was not the case with Gohan in bout with Dabra. We don't see him accessing SSj2 outside of the Cell Saga Arc on many a time... infact, only in Volume 21 at the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. Hence that he was accessing SSj, and by that mindset, while Dabra had the advantage, both of them were wheezing at the height of their battle. For Gohan to get Dabra tired in a relatively short amount of time, he had to have been accessing SSj. Which means, we conclude: Dabra must be around on equal footing with Complete Cell in his powered up state.

Anyway, there's already a thread on this topic of discussion - The Ki level of Dabra. Feel free to post your view to the aforesaid thread, there, instead, as there's no need to dole such out here. Topic Locked.

11-28-2006	#1 (permalink)
TobiGoodBoy (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Under your bed. Posts: 2,247 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	Question about Dabura All you powerlevel writers are putting Dabura v Super sayian gohan But if i remember correctly Goku said... "He's even stronger than Cell" So... Cell At Post- Self destruct is just a tiny tiny tiny bit weaker than Super sayian 2 Gohan. Also Vegeta said that Gohan got weaker. That means Dabura would be much higher than ever Super sayian 2 Gohan not mentioning super sayian 1. It would go something like this Super Sayian 2 Gohan: 30,000,000,000 Cell (Post-self destruct): 28,000,000,000 Dabura: 35,000,000,000 Super sayian Gohan (Adult): 12,500,000,000 Super Sayian 2 Gohan (Adult): 25,000,000,000 __________________

11-28-2006	#2 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Question about Dabura Alright. We really dont know if Post-Regeneration Cell is stronger or weaker than SSj2 Kid Gohan. But I think he could be a little stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan due to the simple uncharged blast Cell threw that hit and paralyzed Gohan's arm. Also, Gohan was only SSj1 when he fought Dabura. Did you see any sparks? No. Gohan [in his SSj1 form] has a slight disadvantage against Dabura. MSSj Kid Gohan back in the Cell Games was probably slightly stronger than Powered Up Perfect Cell, so since he got weaker in the 7 year period he would obviously be below or close to Powered Up Perfect Cell in power. Meaning that Dabura is slightly stronger than that level of Cell. Powered Up Perfect Cell must be the level that Goku was talking about. [when he compared Dabura to Cell] Lets say he was talking about Full Power Perfect Cell for example. First of all, it wouldnt be possible because Gohan is supposed to be weaker in the Buu Arc than in the Cell Arc. You see what I mean? There is definately no way that Goku was talking about Post-Regeneration Cell. Dabura just isnt that powerful, and SSj1 Teen Gohan [Buu Arc] cant be stronger than his MSSj Kid-self. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

11-28-2006	#3 (permalink)
TobiGoodBoy (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Under your bed. Posts: 2,247 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	Re: Question about Dabura I'm assuming that Goku was talking about Cell at full power. And even if he was talking about normal cell lets look at that. Cell: 14,000,000,000 SSJ2 Gohan: 30,000,000,000 Dabura: 18,000,000,000 SSJ Adult Gohan: 12,500,000,000 SSJ2 Adult Gohan: 25,000,000,000 So that means Dabura still would have dominated Gohan. But not at Super sayian 2. And don't bother saying Dabura is a bit weaker than that. Go as low as you like. But its still above Gohan and Cell. And it seems that the battle between Gohan and Dabura was equal. MAybe Gohan was a bit more stronger as he could outrun Dabura's 'spits'. Argue with that. __________________

11-28-2006	#4 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Question about Dabura Before we go on, I would like to ask where you got those power levels. Also, If you've seen SSj1 Gohan fight Dabura than you would know that Gohan started out okay, but eventually ended up on the defensive. Dabura was stronger, they werent equal. And just because you can dodge attacks doesnt mean that you are the stronger one. Gohan had a slight disadvantage in power and strength, you could see this clearly if you saw their fight. You are "assuming", huh? Look at the facts first before you make assumptions. Cause the facts are stated right above in my first post. And I really dont feel like repeating myself. Please look at it again. Next time you post please tell me where you got those powerlevels. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

11-28-2006	#5 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Question about Dabura Facts: MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga) >= Powered-up Pefect Cell MSSj Gohan (Babi-dee saga) < MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga) Perfect Cell (post regeneration) >> MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga) Dabura > MSSj Gohan (Babi-dee saga) So Perfect Cell (post regeneration) >> MSSj Gohan (Cell games saga) </=/> Dabura >= Powered-up Perfect Cell >= MSSj Gohan (Babi-dee saga) Anything else, in my opinion, defies logic __________________ Empty until further notice.

11-29-2006	#6 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Question about Dabura Not exactly. Allow me to clarify on this matter (as I've done on one thread too many). What Goku states in Volume 22 of the Manga is that he guestimates Dabra and Complete Cell were about the same in power. Now, while the last chi of Complete Cell Goku felt was that emanating from Complete Cell at full power, he couldn't possibly mean that, seeing as how MSSj Gohan at full power (Cell Games) wasn't anyplace close to the amount of output of Complete Cell at full power (and the aura input of a completely different realm) and Vegeta comments that the Gohan of the Boo Saga Arc was infinitely weaker than the one of the Cell Saga Arc, that he was a lot better then. And that there were no bolts of lightning dancing over (and consistently appearing in full, though they didn't appear at all) Gohan's aura against Dabra - the telltale sign that he's accessing SSj2. So... why wouldn't he access SSj2? Simple: The boundless conceit that gave him the drive to prolong Cell's defeat to the degree of indirectly causing his own father's death and anyplace near to the end of Earth, through a flight of steps. As we can see, the SSj2 state is shown to be somewhat chaotic and not so-much so under control (as caving in the landscape and easily busting in craters into the landscape amongst rushing air and churning up winds, and basically drawing blood in a relatively short amount of time, and basically messing up the landscape to an even great degree rather quickly, goes to show). But more that the dancing bolts of lightning break out in all directions somewhat vehemently and that whilst following the psychological joist, things drastically change (though this didn't obstruct Goku and Vegeta). This was not the case with Gohan in bout with Dabra. We don't see him accessing SSj2 outside of the Cell Saga Arc on many a time... infact, only in Volume 21 at the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. Hence that he was accessing SSj, and by that mindset, while Dabra had the advantage, both of them were wheezing at the height of their battle. For Gohan to get Dabra tired in a relatively short amount of time, he had to have been accessing SSj. Which means, we conclude: Dabra must be around on equal footing with Complete Cell in his powered up state. Anyway, there's already a thread on this topic of discussion - The Ki level of Dabra. Feel free to post your view to the aforesaid thread, there, instead, as there's no need to dole such out here. Topic Locked. __________________