Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan?

**Zer0** · 11-21-2006

Well I decided to post this thread. Did Future Trunks Master Super Saiyan upon returning to the future? I say yes after comparing the pictures.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 11-21-2006

Believe what you want, but it's true in every sense of the word if he displays the same, fierce aura MSSjs do - the same aura input by comparison to the calm aura seen in the first image to be pictured first (Trunks subsequently going SSj against Goku). But this brings a conundrum into said circumstance. The issue is that this MSSj aura is wielded just after he returns to his time - which leaves him what, like, a few hours to master it in? Now it's an altercation to fly into if he attained it in the RoSaT or not. But if this was true, why was he so amazed by the sheer volume of amount of 'output' and power, if you prefer, that MSSj Goku wielded and displayed at full power? Wouldn't he have been anyplace close in power and not such a long stride away?
It's all so odd. But believe it or not, he's a Mastered Super Saiyan, which also expands on why he, with sheer force, well.... the prospect came to me: he casually blew a seemingly-weak Cell right out of Western City at base and then flared up his own SSj aura. And then we see the same fierce aura Goku, Gohan, and Cell wielded at the Cell Game. Yet then why were Trunks and Vegeta accessing SSj 2nd Grade in bout with Cell's Juniors? Doesn't that put a wrench in the observation made?

A tad cabalistic to fix around, but it's true nonwithstanding.

The Chibi Kiriyama · 11-21-2006

I figured this out some time ago for myself, though it's great to see others have made the observation. Given the fact that he exhibits the aura, I'd have to say that he was either on the road to mastering it or had mastered it. I go more along the lines of the former, as he doesn't really drop he aura yet the aura is definitively that of Goku's and Gohan's ilk.

SaiyajinPerfection · 11-21-2006

Error maybe? Toriyama isn't perfect you know..
But anyway, I did notice that he had changed, but I just thought it was the art style, silly me. Judging by the circumstances, and how Trunks was able to go through the Super Saiyan stages or grades rapidly, I wouldn't put it past him to master it, but when he fought the Cell jrs, he wasn't mastered.
EDIT: Vegeta had reached Mastered Super Saiyan by the Buu arc as well. Look in Volume 26, pg 66. In the Same volume, Vegetto did too.

Gozar · 11-21-2006

Perhaps he asked Gohan how to obtain it....or....er...a Zenkai from getting wished back? It doesn't really make sense...against Cell 3 years later it would. But now in that image. Or perhaps FPSSJ isn't about the aura.....maybe it was just a new aura design that Toriyama used.....take a look at Vegeta when SSJ against the Cell Jrs....he had the same intense looking aura.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 11-21-2006

[quote user="Gozar"]take a look at Vegeta when SSJ against the Cell Jrs....he had the same intense looking aura.[/quote]

(Volume 34 / (Z Era) 18, Page 159):

Not really an intense looking aura; it's just calm, dancing waves of flame of thick white that aren't a length away from the aura that Trunks flares up and is displayed and wielded at Goku's behest. SSj Type 2 Trunk's aura in said bout is also cognate in that sense of the term; and yes, SSj Type 2. Vegeta and Trunks (though that's odd to no end for Trunks if you take a gander at the panel above the second residing Zero's post; perhaps he was on the road to mastering it?) who were probably no place close to mastering Super Saiyan would have gone SSj 2nd Grade to combat the Cell Juniors on equal footing.

Gozar · 11-21-2006

Take a look at this one though (first panel of Vegeta)
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch11/db34pg155.GIF
Perhaps when Toriyama goes closer he made all the aura's more refined looking.

**Zer0** · 11-22-2006

As you can see in the lower panel of this dranet scan Trunks was still a mastered super saiyan even from a distance.

Gozar · 11-23-2006

Has anyone ever considered that the Aura is not about FPSSJ, but rather a specific PL reached? The same aura was shown in ASSJ. Maybe Trunks SSJ PL had reached the necisary power to show that Aura.

Broly · 11-23-2006

I kinda agree with Gozar. How can Trunks be MSSj there, when he didnt achieve the state before in the Chamber? It doesnt make sense. Could it be as simple as Toriyama just putting those auras on them without really thinking about it?

Gozar · 11-23-2006

[quote user="Broly: God of Death"]Could it be as simple as Toriyama just putting those auras on them without really thinking about it?[/quote]
Probably.....I don't think Toriyama focuses too much on the look of the Aura.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 11-23-2006

Of course the aura matters; aura input is one of the defining aspects of the Super Saiyan form in difference and denoting such with output to boot. But more that base Trunks goes onto literally, quite casually blow Cell out of Western City with sheer caprice (with visibly, rushing air to boot) would lead me to the such (though it was an abrasion Cell doled out rather quickly... as if he fell out of an expression of pain, seeing as how he subsequently powered up and flared up/projected his own Super Saiyan aura... I'd think he was masking his chi prior to said events). Just look at the panel at which Goten and Chibi Trunks power up to full power whilst accessing Super Saiyan at Goku's behest - the auras resemble vehemently dancing forks of flame of thin white spouting out on the corona of the aura as Piccolo is taken aback.

However odd it may seem, Trunks was indeed a Mastered Super Saiyan and that's not pointing an error of sorts.

TitanGoku · 11-23-2006

Is it possible that Trunks took a few days staying a ssj just like Goku and Gohan, and that's what led to him becoming a Mssj?

SaiyajinPerfection · 11-24-2006

^It is possible TitanGoku, but I think that it could've been an error. There are some Super Saiyan 2 auras inside the Manga that are void of electrical fields. Look at the volume of the Majin Vegeta era, in some panels, Both Goku and Vegeta don't have electricity.
And it also could've been a change of style for the Super Saiyan form, by the Buu saga, everyone seems to have a Mastered Super Saiyan aura.
This is RIGHT after Vegeta becomes a Super Saiyan against 19: Check it out-

Gozar · 11-24-2006

LSSJ7- Trunks had the same aura when fighting the Androids.....& we know he was not an FPSSJ there. It's impossible. Like I said, the same aura is shown in ASSJ, so that Aura is not about FPSSJ, but rather a certain amount of power obtained.

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? Believe what you want, but it's true in every sense of the word if he displays the same, fierce aura MSSjs do - the same aura input by comparison to the calm aura seen in the first image to be pictured first (Trunks subsequently going SSj against Goku). But this brings a conundrum into said circumstance. The issue is that this MSSj aura is wielded just after he returns to his time - which leaves him what, like, a few hours to master it in? Now it's an altercation to fly into if he attained it in the RoSaT or not. But if this was true, why was he so amazed by the sheer volume of amount of 'output' and power, if you prefer, that MSSj Goku wielded and displayed at full power? Wouldn't he have been anyplace close in power and not such a long stride away? It's all so odd. But believe it or not, he's a Mastered Super Saiyan, which also expands on why he, with sheer force, well.... the prospect came to me: he casually blew a seemingly-weak Cell right out of Western City at base and then flared up his own SSj aura. And then we see the same fierce aura Goku, Gohan, and Cell wielded at the Cell Game. Yet then why were Trunks and Vegeta accessing SSj 2nd Grade in bout with Cell's Juniors? Doesn't that put a wrench in the observation made? A tad cabalistic to fix around, but it's true nonwithstanding. __________________

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The Chibi Kiriyama (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 1,299 Rep Power: 6	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? I figured this out some time ago for myself, though it's great to see others have made the observation. Given the fact that he exhibits the aura, I'd have to say that he was either on the road to mastering it or had mastered it. I go more along the lines of the former, as he doesn't really drop he aura yet the aura is definitively that of Goku's and Gohan's ilk.

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SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 22	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? Error maybe? Toriyama isn't perfect you know.. But anyway, I did notice that he had changed, but I just thought it was the art style, silly me. Judging by the circumstances, and how Trunks was able to go through the Super Saiyan stages or grades rapidly, I wouldn't put it past him to master it, but when he fought the Cell jrs, he wasn't mastered. EDIT: Vegeta had reached Mastered Super Saiyan by the Buu arc as well. Look in Volume 26, pg 66. In the Same volume, Vegetto did too. __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

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Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? Perhaps he asked Gohan how to obtain it....or....er...a Zenkai from getting wished back? It doesn't really make sense...against Cell 3 years later it would. But now in that image. Or perhaps FPSSJ isn't about the aura.....maybe it was just a new aura design that Toriyama used.....take a look at Vegeta when SSJ against the Cell Jrs....he had the same intense looking aura. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? [quote user="Gozar"]take a look at Vegeta when SSJ against the Cell Jrs....he had the same intense looking aura.[/quote] (Volume 34 / (Z Era) 18, Page 159): Not really an intense looking aura; it's just calm, dancing waves of flame of thick white that aren't a length away from the aura that Trunks flares up and is displayed and wielded at Goku's behest. SSj Type 2 Trunk's aura in said bout is also cognate in that sense of the term; and yes, SSj Type 2. Vegeta and Trunks (though that's odd to no end for Trunks if you take a gander at the panel above the second residing Zero's post; perhaps he was on the road to mastering it?) who were probably no place close to mastering Super Saiyan would have gone SSj 2nd Grade to combat the Cell Juniors on equal footing. __________________

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Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? Take a look at this one though (first panel of Vegeta) http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch11/db34pg155.GIF Perhaps when Toriyama goes closer he made all the aura's more refined looking. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

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Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,177 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 146	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? As you can see in the lower panel of this dranet scan Trunks was still a mastered super saiyan even from a distance. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

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Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? Has anyone ever considered that the Aura is not about FPSSJ, but rather a specific PL reached? The same aura was shown in ASSJ. Maybe Trunks SSJ PL had reached the necisary power to show that Aura. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? I kinda agree with Gozar. How can Trunks be MSSj there, when he didnt achieve the state before in the Chamber? It doesnt make sense. Could it be as simple as Toriyama just putting those auras on them without really thinking about it? __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? [quote user="Broly: God of Death"]Could it be as simple as Toriyama just putting those auras on them without really thinking about it?[/quote] Probably.....I don't think Toriyama focuses too much on the look of the Aura. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? Of course the aura matters; aura input is one of the defining aspects of the Super Saiyan form in difference and denoting such with output to boot. But more that base Trunks goes onto literally, quite casually blow Cell out of Western City with sheer caprice (with visibly, rushing air to boot) would lead me to the such (though it was an abrasion Cell doled out rather quickly... as if he fell out of an expression of pain, seeing as how he subsequently powered up and flared up/projected his own Super Saiyan aura... I'd think he was masking his chi prior to said events). Just look at the panel at which Goten and Chibi Trunks power up to full power whilst accessing Super Saiyan at Goku's behest - the auras resemble vehemently dancing forks of flame of thin white spouting out on the corona of the aura as Piccolo is taken aback. However odd it may seem, Trunks was indeed a Mastered Super Saiyan and that's not pointing an error of sorts. __________________

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TitanGoku (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 61 Rep Power: 4	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? Is it possible that Trunks took a few days staying a ssj just like Goku and Gohan, and that's what led to him becoming a Mssj? __________________

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SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 22	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? ^It is possible TitanGoku, but I think that it could've been an error. There are some Super Saiyan 2 auras inside the Manga that are void of electrical fields. Look at the volume of the Majin Vegeta era, in some panels, Both Goku and Vegeta don't have electricity. And it also could've been a change of style for the Super Saiyan form, by the Buu saga, everyone seems to have a Mastered Super Saiyan aura. This is RIGHT after Vegeta becomes a Super Saiyan against 19: Check it out- __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

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Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Future Trunks Mastered Super Saiyan? LSSJ7- Trunks had the same aura when fighting the Androids.....& we know he was not an FPSSJ there. It's impossible. Like I said, the same aura is shown in ASSJ, so that Aura is not about FPSSJ, but rather a certain amount of power obtained. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks