Gozar

[quote user="Zer0"]Gozar, does this mean you believe Vegeta got a zenkai after being killed by Freezer[/quote]
Yes....as it just so happens....non-canon as it is, the Dub says so, lol.

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

SaiyajinPerfection

I'm sorry, But I'll have to disagree too Gozar.
The qualifications for a Zenkai come from the body being injured and then being repaired, that way, it learns from the experience and powers itself up. Trunks's body did not go through a healing process after he was killed (simply because it couldn't learn because he was dead), and even if it did, Mastered Super Saiyan requires the mastery of the mind as well, which also explains why Vegeta noticed Goku and Gohan acting normal as Super Saiyans when they had exited the RoSaT.

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Gozar

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

The Chibi Kiriyama

[quote user="Gozar"]Regardless of how, the body IS healed.[/quote]
The body is restored, not healed. Porunga did not 'heal' Kuririn's body, he reassembled it because in order for him to function he would need to have his body in one piece. Shenlong did the same thing with Trunks. All that was done was a restoration of his body to the way it used to be.
I do, however, feel on the previous matter that Trunks may be in between the Super Saiyan state and the relaxed Super Saiyan state. He seems to have an aura denoting mastery, but no real relaxation in the form. Again, it could just be a transitory or 'mid-mastery' form that leaves him incapable of rationing the power the way Goku does but with the same amount of power released as his aura denotes (the realm of difference between Trunks and Goku nonwithstanding).

Gozar

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

dragontigerviper

you know, sometimes i think we look into these things more then Akira himself did...
im not sure if sayins get Zenkia after they are killed and brought back to life. the Zenkia would be an evolutionary trait brought about by the incessive fighting the sayins would do. but after one is killed it is usally final so i don't see how a body would be prepaired to power up from that sort of thing. At the same time, however, death in dragonball is about as perminate as a hangnail so one could say that as long as the body can heal from it, then the zenkia happens.
in any case, trunks is certainly not in a mastered state when he fights the cell jrs, yet when he fights the androids, his aura is much more sharp then the average super sayin. Now if this appeared in the Trunks/cell fight only, then we could easally say that he was a mastered super sayin, after all he had a good year or so to prepare for cell.
now don't contridict or misunderstand me when i say this, I know that Super Sayin is a state awakened by rage, but what if Trunks's deep emotional distress when fighting the androids is what caued his aura to be sharp. lets face it, none of the other super sayins have had nearly the kind of emotional stress as trunks has. goku may have had his best friend killed but trunks has grown up and lived in hell. everyone he knows including his closest father figure, gohan, is killed as he is helplessly knocked out, then he is beaten to a bloody pulp. compaired to that, having your best friend killed is like a walk in the park. i don't have much trouble believing that Trunk's emotions while fighting the androids were sharp enough to curve even the firce aura of a super sayin

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Gozar

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

SaiyajinPerfection

Healing and restoration are hardly the same thing as Chibi Kiriyama said. And it is stated that a Saiyan recieves a zenkai when his body heals from a near fatal injury. There is no evidence to support the claim that a Zenkai is recieved after Death. In fact, I believe there is more evidence to support the claim that there is not, If you can present solid evidence of Zenkai's being received after restortion from Death, then by all means, please do.
And Like I said before, Mastered Super Saiyan is not as simple as an increased power level, it also includes the Saiyan having trained himself to have control over the behavioral effects of Super Saiyan, Trunks form what we know never learned this. This is also the major thing that relaxes them which enables them to reach these massive levels of power. Goku stated this when he wanted to "feel natural as a Super Saiyan", in fact "feeling natural" explains it all. Another good example of this occuring is Super Saiyan Vegetto and Super Saiyan Gotenks, as strong as they were, neither of them were mastered. Their auras weren't consistent with the Mastered Form.

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Gozar

No, as far as I see it, there is no difference.....& there is no proof that there is no Zenkai after death.....infact through proof of defintion, near death experience includes dying & coming back.
Now then....as I've said....FPSSJ & ASSJ have the EXACT same aura, that aura is all about a certain PL.

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

LegendarySSJ7

[quote user="Gozar"]No, as far as I see it, there is no difference.....& there is no proof that there is no Zenkai after death.....infact through proof of defintion, near death experience includes dying & coming back.[/quote]Then feel free to detail why Goku wasn't anyplace near a "Zenkai" after being wished back in the Saiyan Saga Arc. He was still.... oh, yes... over 8,000 at full power (and not through Kaio-ken). [:|]


[quote user="Gozar"]Now then....as I've said....FPSSJ & ASSJ have the EXACT same aura[/quote]

Well, not meticulously; allow me to scrutinize on said matter.








In the first image in question (Volume 34 / 18, Page 27), all we see is forks of flame dancing up as Goku stood firm and balanced. In the second image (Volume 32 / 16, Page 61), we see an infinitely more rigid aura; very, very rigid waves of flame as Vegeta's hands are clapsed tight amongst the valley between his shoulders as he bathes in the alleys of the Sun as we can see clouds of dust settling; very different elements to each aura.

Though now that I contemplate it on a very different sense, I'd have to be in agreeance that the state Trunks was in was somewhere between SSj and MSSj.

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LegendaryBroli

I think he did master ssj after the cell games.
I mean if you watch the future trunks fight with the andriods in the future and cell in the future. He basically tore them apart. And he did a full kamehameha from imperfect cell and wasn't affected by it.

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Gozar

Well, very simple. Goku obtained the Zenkai right when he died because he got his body back & healed immediatley.
Now then, those 2 aura's are practically the same design, the only difference would be that Goku is in more of a relaxed state while Vegeta just got done powering up so it's more rapid movement. However the basic design is still about the same. So since Trunks facing the Androids was a more simple un strained power up, he had the Goku type aura. But that doesn't mean he was an FPSSJ vs. The Androids. Vs.Cell, absoluley. But it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to be obtained FPSSJ in a span of 1 day since he was not one at the Cell Games. It has to be about power & not form.

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks