Two VERY Imporatant facts about Dragon ball Z - Page 3

The Brothers · 12-10-2006

[quote user="Deep thought"]I created this topic to prove two things in Dragon Ball Z, one is the fact that the Z warriors CAN go the speed of light,and two is that the Z Warriors can destroy a galaxy. Lets start with the speed of light factor. Firstly, I'd like to state that Muten Roshi can go 100 meters in 5.6 seconds, this is STATED in Dragonball Volume 3. Secondly, I'm going to use Legendary SSj7's power level's as more proof (NOTE: I'm using his power level's, becuase he spent a lot of time on it, which make it more probrable to be correct, the list can be viewed here: http://mfgforums.com/forums/thread/41854.aspx). Assuming that this power level list is correct, it states that Muten Roshi's powerlevel is at 139. Next, let's take one of the power levels that are from the Buu Saga: Ultimate Son Gohan: 2,700,000,000,000. Using my CALCULATOR (In case you think my logic is faulty) I will divide Ultimate Gohan's powerlevel by Roshi's, Ultimate Gohan is 19424460431.655 times stronger than him, wow (use your own calculator if you will). Thirdly, I will multiply that by 100 (meter's traveled by Roshi in 5.6 seconds). The product is 1942446043165.5. Then, I will divide the time taken (5.6 seconds) for Muten Roshi to perform such a feat. The final result is 346,865,364,850.98 meters per second. Lastly, I will find the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 meters per second, that's EXTREMLY slow in comparsion to Mystic Gohan in fact it's1157.0183158209 times slower than him, wow, just, WOW. I'm not going to stop there either, I'll also show you all the other characters at their greatest:Super Sayajin Veggeto is 5287.5664401611 times faster than the speed of light, Super Buu with Gohan absorbed is 1992.6426550249 times faster, Super Sayajin 3 Gotenks is 899.90313452742 times faster,Super sayajin 3 Goku is 154.26910877613 times faster, Super sayajin 2 Vegeta is 34.28202417247 times faster. My second theory is MUCH simpler. Super Perfect Cell said he could blow away the solar system at full power, unless he was lying. So, all we have to do is see how many time stronger is one of the Z Warriors from the Buu saga is than cell, which we can find out by dividing our example's (Veggeto's) power by SP Cell's to see the result, Veggeto's Powerlevel at super sayajin is 13,000,000,000,000, while SPC's is 72,000,000,000 (Assuming the list is correct, of course). The final result is that Veggeto is 180.5555555556 times stronger than Cell (Super Perfect), which means that Veggeto (At super sayajin) can blow up 180 (roughly) "Solar systems". Gohan Buu can destroy 64 "solar systems" (This is an estimate, considering that he's actually 64.58333333333x stronger than SPC), Ultimate Gohan can destroy 37 "solar systems" (Again, this is an estimate, since he's 37.5 times stronger than SPC), Super Sayajin 3 Gotenks can destroy 29 "solar systems" (Estimate agian, since he's 29.16666666667 times than SPC), Super Sayajin 3 Goku can destroy 5 "solar systems", Super Sayajin 2 Vegeta can desroy one. I rest my case.[/quote]
Incorrect.
You cannot base the characters powers on others estimation, only on panel evidence.
Sûpâ kanzentaini Seru could not destroy the solar system in one blast, like he claimed. If you recall, the last blast chibi Boo fiered to destroy the earth was so powerful that neither Son-Gokou or Bejiita could block it, now at this point both Son-Gokou and Bejiita was more powerful then Sûpâ kanzentaini Seru.
In other words, the blast chibi Boo destroyed the earth with was more powerful then the blast Sûpâ saiya-jin tsu Son-Gohan defleced.
Son-Gokou in the first volume was able to lift Bulma and her car. A car weight is over one ton, so at his weakest Gokou was able to brace one ton, without major difficulties.
Now Son-Gokou at the begining of the Boo arc, had problems lifting 40 ton's.
This would mean that Son-Gokou's power-level only incressed 40 times from the begining of Dragonbaru to the begining of the Boo saga.
The point is, you cannot base their speed and strenght on their power level.
The evidence would be that it took time for Chou Boo-han to reach Son-Gokou and Bejiita, who were about to fuse.
If it was lightspeed then he would reach them in less then a milli-second.

Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin · 12-11-2006

^ The part about the fusion of Goku and Vegeta can be easily explained. They were taking it slow so they don't mess up and end up as "Veku". Also both Goku and Vegeta were in there base form (which was far weaker than Super Sayajin 2 Cell) so they couldn't possibly hope to deflect it.

The Brothers · 12-11-2006

[quote user="Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin"] ^ The part about the fusion of Goku and Vegeta can be easily explained. They were taking it slow so they don't mess up and end up as "Veku". Also both Goku and Vegeta were in there base form (which was far weaker than Super Sayajin 2 Cell) so they couldn't possibly hope to deflect it.
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I was refering to the potara fusion.

MSGohan · 12-11-2006

That was never meant to be a speed feat. You can see, that when Buu spots them, they still have time to take say a few words to each other, and Vegeta have time to put on an earring. Now with a speed of 40 000 km/hr (which was Goku's speed on snakeway in the saiyan saga) Buu should've made to them in LESS than 1 second, even if he was 10 km away (which he wasn't when he could SEE them).
As for Buu destroying earth, if they had time Goku could've tranformed into SSJ3 and challanged the blast, as he should be close to Buu's power, yet he didn't. Earth was just supposed to be destroyed and Gohan & co. was supposed to die. Going by Goku's speed on snakeway again, he could've saved them as well as Dende and Mr. Satan in at most a second, seeing how close Goku & Vegeta were to the others.
So don't use such event as "feats". If you do a little research you'll find out, that they were never meant to be.

Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin · 12-11-2006

[quote user="The Brothers"][quote user="Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin"] ^ The part about the fusion of Goku and Vegeta can be easily explained. They were taking it slow so they don't mess up and end up as "Veku". Also both Goku and Vegeta were in there base form (which was far weaker than Super Sayajin 2 Cell) so they couldn't possibly hope to deflect it.
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I was refering to the potara fusion.
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Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Well that can also be explained by the fact that the Protara fusion was never said to move at the speed of light.

MSGohan · 12-11-2006

[quote user="Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin"]Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Well that can also be explained by the fact that the Protara fusion was never said to move at the speed of light.[/quote]
He was refering to how long it took Ultimate Buu to reach Goku and Vegeta, after Goku teleported away from Buu to get to Vegeta and fuse.

12-10-2006	#31 (permalink)
The Brothers (2) Farmer w/Shotgun Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Re: Two VERY Imporatant facts about Dragon ball Z [quote user="Deep thought"]I created this topic to prove two things in Dragon Ball Z, one is the fact that the Z warriors CAN go the speed of light,and two is that the Z Warriors can destroy a galaxy. Lets start with the speed of light factor. Firstly, I'd like to state that Muten Roshi can go 100 meters in 5.6 seconds, this is STATED in Dragonball Volume 3. Secondly, I'm going to use Legendary SSj7's power level's as more proof (NOTE: I'm using his power level's, becuase he spent a lot of time on it, which make it more probrable to be correct, the list can be viewed here: http://mfgforums.com/forums/thread/41854.aspx). Assuming that this power level list is correct, it states that Muten Roshi's powerlevel is at 139. Next, let's take one of the power levels that are from the Buu Saga: Ultimate Son Gohan: 2,700,000,000,000. Using my CALCULATOR (In case you think my logic is faulty) I will divide Ultimate Gohan's powerlevel by Roshi's, Ultimate Gohan is 19424460431.655 times stronger than him, wow (use your own calculator if you will). Thirdly, I will multiply that by 100 (meter's traveled by Roshi in 5.6 seconds). The product is 1942446043165.5. Then, I will divide the time taken (5.6 seconds) for Muten Roshi to perform such a feat. The final result is 346,865,364,850.98 meters per second. Lastly, I will find the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 meters per second, that's EXTREMLY slow in comparsion to Mystic Gohan in fact it's1157.0183158209 times slower than him, wow, just, WOW. I'm not going to stop there either, I'll also show you all the other characters at their greatest:Super Sayajin Veggeto is 5287.5664401611 times faster than the speed of light, Super Buu with Gohan absorbed is 1992.6426550249 times faster, Super Sayajin 3 Gotenks is 899.90313452742 times faster,Super sayajin 3 Goku is 154.26910877613 times faster, Super sayajin 2 Vegeta is 34.28202417247 times faster. My second theory is MUCH simpler. Super Perfect Cell said he could blow away the solar system at full power, unless he was lying. So, all we have to do is see how many time stronger is one of the Z Warriors from the Buu saga is than cell, which we can find out by dividing our example's (Veggeto's) power by SP Cell's to see the result, Veggeto's Powerlevel at super sayajin is 13,000,000,000,000, while SPC's is 72,000,000,000 (Assuming the list is correct, of course). The final result is that Veggeto is 180.5555555556 times stronger than Cell (Super Perfect), which means that Veggeto (At super sayajin) can blow up 180 (roughly) "Solar systems". Gohan Buu can destroy 64 "solar systems" (This is an estimate, considering that he's actually 64.58333333333x stronger than SPC), Ultimate Gohan can destroy 37 "solar systems" (Again, this is an estimate, since he's 37.5 times stronger than SPC), Super Sayajin 3 Gotenks can destroy 29 "solar systems" (Estimate agian, since he's 29.16666666667 times than SPC), Super Sayajin 3 Goku can destroy 5 "solar systems", Super Sayajin 2 Vegeta can desroy one. I rest my case.[/quote] Incorrect. You cannot base the characters powers on others estimation, only on panel evidence. Sûpâ kanzentaini Seru could not destroy the solar system in one blast, like he claimed. If you recall, the last blast chibi Boo fiered to destroy the earth was so powerful that neither Son-Gokou or Bejiita could block it, now at this point both Son-Gokou and Bejiita was more powerful then Sûpâ kanzentaini Seru. In other words, the blast chibi Boo destroyed the earth with was more powerful then the blast Sûpâ saiya-jin tsu Son-Gohan defleced. Son-Gokou in the first volume was able to lift Bulma and her car. A car weight is over one ton, so at his weakest Gokou was able to brace one ton, without major difficulties. Now Son-Gokou at the begining of the Boo arc, had problems lifting 40 ton's. This would mean that Son-Gokou's power-level only incressed 40 times from the begining of Dragonbaru to the begining of the Boo saga. The point is, you *cannot* base their speed and strenght on their power level. The evidence would be that it took *time* for Chou Boo-han to reach Son-Gokou and Bejiita, who were about to fuse. If it was lightspeed then he would reach them in less then a milli-second.

12-11-2006	#32 (permalink)
Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sitting in a secluded room Posts: 421 Rep Power: 4	Re: Two VERY Imporatant facts about Dragon ball Z ^ The part about the fusion of Goku and Vegeta can be easily explained. They were taking it slow so they don't mess up and end up as "Veku". Also both Goku and Vegeta were in there base form (which was far weaker than Super Sayajin 2 Cell) so they couldn't possibly hope to deflect it. __________________ Current Manga Being Read: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, YuYu Hakusho ---- Incase you're wondering this is V-TMPS

12-11-2006	#33 (permalink)
The Brothers (2) Farmer w/Shotgun Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Re: Two VERY Imporatant facts about Dragon ball Z [quote user="Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin"] ^ The part about the fusion of Goku and Vegeta can be easily explained. They were taking it slow so they don't mess up and end up as "Veku". Also both Goku and Vegeta were in there base form (which was far weaker than Super Sayajin 2 Cell) so they couldn't possibly hope to deflect it. [/quote] I was refering to the potara fusion.

12-11-2006	#34 (permalink)
MSGohan (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 112 Rep Power: 3	Re: Two VERY Imporatant facts about Dragon ball Z That was never meant to be a speed feat. You can see, that when Buu spots them, they still have time to take say a few words to each other, and Vegeta have time to put on an earring. Now with a speed of 40 000 km/hr (which was Goku's speed on snakeway in the saiyan saga) Buu should've made to them in LESS than 1 second, even if he was 10 km away (which he wasn't when he could SEE them). As for Buu destroying earth, if they had time Goku could've tranformed into SSJ3 and challanged the blast, as he should be close to Buu's power, yet he didn't. Earth was just supposed to be destroyed and Gohan & co. was supposed to die. Going by Goku's speed on snakeway again, he could've saved them as well as Dende and Mr. Satan in at most a second, seeing how close Goku & Vegeta were to the others. So don't use such event as "feats". If you do a little research you'll find out, that they were never meant to be.

12-11-2006	#35 (permalink)
Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sitting in a secluded room Posts: 421 Rep Power: 4	Re: Two VERY Imporatant facts about Dragon ball Z [quote user="The Brothers"][quote user="Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin"] ^ The part about the fusion of Goku and Vegeta can be easily explained. They were taking it slow so they don't mess up and end up as "Veku". Also both Goku and Vegeta were in there base form (which was far weaker than Super Sayajin 2 Cell) so they couldn't possibly hope to deflect it. [/quote] I was refering to the potara fusion. [/quote] Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Well that can also be explained by the fact that the Protara fusion was never said to move at the speed of light. __________________ Current Manga Being Read: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, YuYu Hakusho ---- Incase you're wondering this is V-TMPS

12-11-2006	#36 (permalink)
MSGohan (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 112 Rep Power: 3	Re: Two VERY Imporatant facts about Dragon ball Z [quote user="Vegeta-the most powerful sayajin"]Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Well that can also be explained by the fact that the Protara fusion was never said to move at the speed of light.[/quote] He was refering to how long it took Ultimate Buu to reach Goku and Vegeta, after Goku teleported away from Buu to get to Vegeta and fuse.