Zer0

__________________

JAIF

[quote user="Zer0"]Is the roof of his power really twice as strong as SS2 Gohan''s power or is it much more[/quote]
Seeing how he matched Goku SS3 (even if the latter wasn't using full power), it must be more. Depends where you place the multiplier for SS2-->SS3 level, how much stronger Goku SS2 is than Gohan SS2 (Buu saga arc), and what portion of his power SS3 Goku was using. But my guess is Majin Buu > 2x SS2 Gohan's power

__________________

V3g3t0

Yes , he is twice as SSJ2 Gohan`s full power , as stated . The only reason why he was matching SSJ3 Goku , is because Goku didn`t even want to beat him , but only to hold him off .

ixidor

Exactly, his power as about 2x ssj2 gohan power, if he was close with ssj3 goku, well this happened because goku was holding back...

Darkprince410

No, his power far exceeds that. Despite that it took little over twice the amount of ki that Ssj2 Gohan had to revive Fat Buu, it means just that, nothing more. It was never stated that they were replenishing Buu's power or anything by the ki they were collecting, they were just gathering ki to revive him. Furthermore, when Buu's power suddenly spiked just before he attacked Dabura, Gohan made the comment that his power seemed bottomless, that he couldn't detect an end to Buu's power. Now, if Buu were a little over twice as strong as Gohan was, logic would dictate that Gohan would have been able to sense that upper limit of power, but he physically couldn't. All that the ki that was delivered to Buu's cocoon did was act as a jump start to Buu's system, nothing more.

__________________

ssbib

It must be significantly higher than SSJ2 Gohan because Gohan didn't even stand a chance when he faced Buu.

__________________

"I dont know whats better, getting laid or getting paid. I just know that whilst I'm getting one the others getting away!"

V3g3t0

Darkprince , I`m afraid you are wrong . And here`s why :
http://img435.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyot3.png
This link shows that the energy was donated to Buu , meaning that it was used to power him up .
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fullpowermz1.png
This also shows that the energy was used for bringing Buu to his maximum energy (maximum power)

http://img276.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buufullpoweryx0.png
And this clearly shows that the energy brought Buu to his maximum , thus it was used for powering up Buu .
And Gohan`s energy fueled half of Fat Buu`s maximum . That means Fat Buu at his maximum power = aproximatley 2X SSJ2 Gohan (Buu Saga)
That is an official translated manga btw , so the administrators don`t come with the "fan translated" excuse .

Darkprince410

Be happy that my french isn't THAT rusty, else reading all those would have been extremely annoying.
You do realize that this is both Dabura and Babi-di that are making these comments about Buu being at full power, and to be honest their knowledge of Ma-jin Buu is extremely limited (they didn't even know what he looked like. While these lines you've mentioned do make it sound like Buu was at full power when he was released, they are contradicted on multiple occassions, such as the fact that he grossly exceeded Babi-di's expectations and greatly shocked Dabura (who should have at least somewhat accurately estimated Fat Buu's strength had that actually been his full power). Buu's strength also shocked Gohan, who as I stated earlier felt that Buu's ki had no conceivable end to it (being a little over twice as strong as someone would denote a conceivable end, but Gohan's words strongly suggest that the level of power is far greater than that).

__________________

ixidor

I think you are just making excuses to counter statements, that's what i think. Why? The fact he got his full power never implied that he came out at full power. In fact, to say this would be stupid and i can show you: when fat boo comes out gohan, with a simple ssj level, said he could defeat fat boo. Now think, if fat boo was coming out with the 2x times the power from ssj2 (as you are suggesting) and then he started powering up:
1) gohan would never say he could beat him when he came out
2) vegeta would never say that boo was nothing to him or goku
3) vegeta would never be able to punch him around until he powers up and blast in rage
So, the theory you are say is nonsense because you are saying that fat boo came out with 2x the power from a ssj2 gohan and then he started power up but this is clearly false as i showed you.
So, and it's not hard to understand this with all the statements that there are, fat boo is roughly 2x times stronger then ssj2 teen gohan, all the statements points completly clearly in such direction. By the way you don't have to put him PRECISELY 2x times stronger then ssj2 gohan but his power is around that, and that's the manga true, the statements true, you like it or not.

Darkprince410

I never once said that he came out of his cocoon already at maximum power, for I know that wasn't the case. When Gohan mentioned that he felt he stood a chance against Fat Buu, and later when Bejiita made the comment that Buu was weak, Buu was in a relatively calm (thus non-powered up) state. However, when Buu first powers up to attack Dabura, Gohan is absolutely overwhelmed by the amount of ki he sensed from Buu (as I said, he felt that Buu's ki was bottomless), and likewise, both Gokuu and Bejiita (who were both considerably stronger Ssj2s than Gohan was when his ki was drained) were bewildered by just how powerful Buu had become.
As to why Bejiita was able to attack Buu the way he did, it's the exact same scenario as to what he did in the Furiiza Saga against Rikuumu. He basically just went all out the very moment he could, not letting his opponent have a second to retaliate because he knows that if he does he's done for. Bejiita knew he was considerably weaker than Rikuumu, so his attack was one out of desperation, knowing that the only way he stood a chance of winning was to take him out as fast as possible. Furthermore this is the exact same way that Bejiita approached his fight against Fat Buu, attacking him head on and not giving him a moment to strike back. His primary failure though was letting Buu regenerate after blowing a hole through his body.
In short, Fat Buu needs to grow enraged to tap into his full power (shown multiple times), and since he was able to for the most part hold his own against Ssj3 Gokuu (who was also holding back, that much I won't deny, but still can easily be said to be over twice as strong as Ssj2 Gohan was), without having powered up at all (since he didn't get angry), then to say that his full strength is only a bit beyond twice Ssj2 Gohan's stength would be nothing less than absurd.

__________________

V3g3t0

--- Be happy that my french isn't THAT rusty, else reading all those would have been extremely annoying.
You do realize that this is both Dabura and Babi-di that are making
these comments about Buu being at full power, and to be honest their
knowledge of Ma-jin Buu is extremely limited (they didn't even know
what he looked like. While these lines you've mentioned do make it
sound like Buu was at full power when he was released, they are
contradicted on multiple occassions, such as the fact that he grossly
exceeded Babi-di's expectations and greatly shocked Dabura (who should
have at least somewhat accurately estimated Fat Buu's strength had that
actually been his full power). Buu's strength also shocked Gohan, who
as I stated earlier felt that Buu's ki had no conceivable end to it
(being a little over twice as strong as someone would denote a
conceivable end, but Gohan's words strongly suggest that the level of
power is far greater than that).---

Those excuses are pretty bad . Them not knowing how Buu looks alike is normal , and logical since they never saw him . They just didn`t know that Buu acceses his full power when he gets mad . But they did know Buu`s max since they were the ones gathering energy for his revival . The only thing that shocked Dabura was that he suddenly powered up so much , since when he first appeared he was weak .

Darkprince410

No, they knew the full amount of power it would take to revive Fat Buu, which is considerably different from his full strength all in all. Why would Dabura act so confident about being able to defeat Fat Buu if he was aware of just how strong Buu could actually end up being? He was aware of the fact that creatures can hide the bulk of their ki (thus making it unlikely that he took the power that Buu was exhibiting normally as being the face value). It's far more likely that, like Gohan did, Dabura underestimated Buu's strength considerably (which would be impossible if he knew Buu's maximum power)

__________________

JAIF

[quote user="V3g3t0"]Yes , he is twice as SSJ2 Gohan`s full power , as stated . The only reason why he was matching SSJ3 Goku , is because Goku didn`t even want to beat him , but only to hold him off .
[/quote]
Huh. If Buu had lost all of his energy in the sphere he wouldn't exist anymore. So the energy Babidee gave him was not meant to restore all of his power. It was just meant to fuel him to such extent that he could break free of the seal. So basing the theory that Majin Buu=2x SS2 Gohan on the fact that donating all of Gohan's SS2 energy filled the Majin meter by half is ridiculous.

__________________

ixidor

Ridiculous... Ridiculous is to see you prefering you own theories to manga facts. Boo was there for thousands of years, in some kind of catatonic stated and his energy was minimal. Obviously, he had some energy to survive but obviously, the amount of energy he had was probably nothing more then a couple of thousands, just the enough to survive. Anyway, if you don't believe me, at least believe on babidi, that send goku and yakon to fight to another place because he had afraid they could "awake boo at half power", And understimations are quiet usually on dragon ball and the fact dabura was not imprecise with boo was due to his aspect and power. When he came out he came even weaker then ssj gohan and dabura, so it's perfectly natural that dabura, faced with such dumb and weak character (and with a jeaulous feeling that he was already sensing, as showed when he talk with babidi about how HE ould be his hencheman), he thought taht boo was worthless... And such thing never happened with babidi.
This debate is pointless and the people that are doing it are even more. First i see people saying that gohan was a ssj against boo, now the same people say that fat boo couldn't have 2x times ssj2 gohan's power as max since this way he couln''t defeat a ssj2 gohan that easily... And let's not even talk about the fact that anyone who ever read dragon ball knows that a 2x times difference is a lot (goku versus ginew force ring any bell?). Also, i found completely laughfull someone claming that boo can have this pwoer due to his fight with ssj3 when goku himself stated that he was holding back againt. It's obviously to me that the people who don't accept all this statements are the same that want to power down goku..

JAIF

0 pwr<<Buu's minimal pwr<<Buu's initial pwr<<<Buu's maximum pwr.
The power needed to awaken Buu was to bring him from minimal to initial pwr. As seen the gap between 0 pwr and Buu's maximum pwr is way bigger than the gap between Buu's minimal pwr and Buu's initial pwr.

__________________