Majin Boo (fat) Question - Page 2

**LegendarySSJ7** · 10-28-2006

[quote user="ixidor"]
Ridiculous... Ridiculous is to see you prefering you own theories to manga facts. Boo was there for thousands of years, in some kind of catatonic stated and his energy was minimal. Obviously, he had some energy to survive but obviously, the amount of energy he had was probably nothing more then a couple of thousands, just the enough to survive. Anyway, if you don't believe me, at least believe on babidi, that send goku and yakon to fight to another place because he had afraid they could "awake boo at half power", And understimations are quiet usually on dragon ball and the fact dabura was not imprecise with boo was due to his aspect and power. When he came out he came even weaker then ssj gohan and dabura, so it's perfectly natural that dabura, faced with such dumb and weak character (and with a jeaulous feeling that he was already sensing, as showed when he talk with babidi about how HE ould be his hencheman), he thought taht boo was worthless... And such thing never happened with babidi.

This debate is pointless and the people that are doing it are even more. First i see people saying that gohan was a ssj against boo, now the same people say that fat boo couldn't have 2x times ssj2 gohan's power as max since this way he couln''t defeat a ssj2 gohan that easily... And let's not even talk about the fact that anyone who ever read dragon ball knows that a 2x times difference is a lot (goku versus ginew force ring any bell?). Also, i found completely laughfull someone claming that boo can have this pwoer due to his fight with ssj3 when goku himself stated that he was holding back againt. It's obviously to me that the people who don't accept all this statements are the same that want to power down goku..

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The amount of said power the fat Incarnation of Majin Boo was letting off whilst flying into a rage alone was a length away from his roof power and that Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta were stupefied amazed at in their stay, that Boo outstripped him and even SSj2 Possessed Vegeta who projected an intense aura in the SSj2 form with bolts dancing around it every which way with minimal seriousness at best. And to add, as Darkprince and I have said on many an ocassion - the discussion material in question's answer leads to them not being left to their own devices, but that Bobbodi and Dabra only knew the power that produced the prospect of their hopes of reviving Boo reaching fruition, but not an inkling of Boo's roof power which they could never chalk it up to, which is a length of distance away from such as an overall.

V3g3t0 · 12-02-2006

You must have missed when Babidi was worried about reviving Fat Buu at half of his full power .Or the part when on the device it showed that Fat Buu is at half of full power , and Goku & Vegeta , through their fight filled the other half , and they were still standing even after consuming that much energy meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > 1/2 Fat Buu`s full power but not by much .

**JAIF** · 12-02-2006

SSj2 Gohan's full energy = half the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu
SSj2 Goku's full energy >> SSj2 Gohan's full energy ==>
SSj2 Goku's full energy >> half the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu
But this has nothing to do with Majin Buu's power level. It's just that. The energy needed to awaken Majin Buu. I don't see how it can be related to power level in any way.

V3g3t0 · 12-02-2006

The energy was donated to Buu . It was used to power him up . I`ve already showed some links to prove this .
And as I said , Babidi had a device that showed Buu`s power . It was at half , and Goku`s SSJ2 energy managed to fill the other half , with Goku still standing . Meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > half of Fat Buu`s full power .

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-02-2006

[quote user="V3g3t0"]
The energy was donated to Buu . It was used to power him up . I`ve already showed some links to prove this .

And as I said , Babidi had a device that showed Buu`s power . It was at half , and Goku`s SSJ2 energy managed to fill the other half , with Goku still standing . Meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > half of Fat Buu`s full power .

[/quote]Again... the Fat Incarnation of Majin Boo's roof power is never reached. It's possible that even 50% of his roof power surpassed the amount of power he was at by a length.

**JAIF** · 12-02-2006

[quote user="V3g3t0"] The energy was donated to Buu . It was used to power him up . I`ve already showed some links to prove this .
And as I said , Babidi had a device that showed Buu`s power . It was at half , and Goku`s SSJ2 energy managed to fill the other half , with Goku still standing . Meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > half of Fat Buu`s full power .
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Babidee's device counted the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu, not Buu's power level.
Look at it this way: Goku could most certainly own Gohan, both SS2, during early Buu saga. This is both stated and shown with relative clarity. I would go for a difference of 30% between them.
So Goku SSj2 full power = 1.3x Gohan SSj2 full power
And Majin Buu full power = 2x Gohan SSj2 full power
Considering these facts, it's hard to believe Goku SSj3 had even difficulty in decisively and permanently destroying Majin Buu with a single blast. If things were this way, even though Majin Buu would be stronger than his SSj2 form, Goku would not be like "omg Vegeta we must go and try to stop Majin Buu now don't you see it?". He'd be like "OK Vegeta let's finish the fight and then we can take care of the little problem Buu is"

V3g3t0 · 12-04-2006

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Again... the Fat
Incarnation of Majin Boo's roof power is never reached. It's possible
that even 50% of his roof power surpassed the amount of power he was at
by a length.
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Prove that he could get stronger than he was when fighting Goku .

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Babidee's device counted the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu, not Buu's power level.
Look
at it this way: Goku could most certainly own Gohan, both SS2, during
early Buu saga. This is both stated and shown with relative clarity. I
would go for a difference of 30% between them.
So Goku SSj2 full power = 1.3x Gohan SSj2 full power
And Majin Buu full power = 2x Gohan SSj2 full power
Considering
these facts, it's hard to believe Goku SSj3 had even difficulty in
decisively and permanently destroying Majin Buu with a single blast. If
things were this way, even though Majin Buu would be stronger than his
SSj2 form, Goku would not be like "omg Vegeta we must go and try to
stop Majin Buu now don't you see it?". He'd be like "OK Vegeta let's
finish the fight and then we can take care of the little problem Buu is"
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As a matter of fact it did measure Buu`s powerlevel . The energy was used to revive Majin Buu . Babidi was also worried for not reviving Buu at half of full power , meaning that Gohan filled half of Buu`s full power.
And I already made some calculations in another thread on the versus forum , and the result didn`t contradict anything . And if Buu was stronger than both him & Vegeta I don`t see a reason he wouldn`t be like that , since he hadn`t yet revealed his SSJ3 .

Carazo · 12-05-2006

Quote:

Prove that he could get stronger than he was when fighting Goku .

I usually don’t agree with you, but this time I agree with you, after Buu fights Vegeta, his power doesn’t increase or decrease so we could safely say that this is the limit of this form.I don’t have the feeling that Toriyama was applying sense in Buu’s forms/ transformations. I think that when he did create Super Buu, he just did make him stronger than Majin (fat) Buu and nothing more.A lot of people also put Super Buu, 3 to 4 times stronger than Kid Buu, and perhaps it’s possible, but how can people explain that Kid Buu +South Kaio Shin, who is stated to be weaker than Kid Buu, is stronger than Super Buu?

**JAIF** · 12-05-2006

Huh? Even after Buu was enraged Vegeta could resist his attacks a bit-also, he felt quite confident in that the ki he could muster with his suicide attack would be enough to permanently destroy Majin Buu-yet it wasn't, and that alone proves Majin Buu became more powerful than he was-and suddenly we see Majin Buu equalling off Goku SSj3 in strenght.
As for Shin Buu, maybe when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu it worked kind of like a fusion, multiplying their combined power instead of just adding it.

V3g3t0 · 12-05-2006

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As for Shin Buu, maybe when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu it worked kind
of like a fusion, multiplying their combined power instead of just
adding it.
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Says who ?

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-06-2006

[quote user="SuperVegetto3"]As for Shin Buu, maybe when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu it worked kind of like a fusion, multiplying their combined power instead of just adding it.[/quote]'Shin Buu' is no place near to a fusion... if I may be so confused? It's a transformation and just that, as by Piccolo's own aghast admittion on Page 9 of Volume 41 / 25. Not a length away from how when Piccolo assimilated with Nail, it was just indubeously that - an assimilation, and not a fusion (though the subject of circumstance with Shin Boo was nothing more than a transformation).

**JAIF** · 12-06-2006

I only said "fusion" to indicate the use of a multiplier and not just an addition of power levels. Yes it's practically an absorption, but I would place it closer to the one Piccolo underwent with Kami-sama, as it was practically the same thing: one being split into two that became complete again.

V3g3t0 · 12-06-2006

Absorbing means adding somebody`s power to its own . It`s not like a fusion , where the users`s powerlevels multiply . Even Super Buu said "With Gotenks`s power .. and Piccolo`s brains" . So he was going to use Gotenks`s power , not multiplying his own by absorbing him.

**JAIF** · 12-06-2006

Shin Buu's absorption technique was not the same as Evil Buu's. Evil Buu somehow merged with Good Buu, much like Piccolo did with Kami-sama. Maybe the word absorption isn't the best to describe that, but it isn't pure merging either.

V3g3t0 · 12-08-2006

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Shin Buu's absorption technique was not the same as Evil Buu's. Evil
Buu somehow merged with Good Buu, much like Piccolo did with Kami-sama.
Maybe the word absorption isn't the best to describe that, but it isn't
pure merging either.
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No , Evil Buu didn`t merge with Good Buu . He absorbed him , that`s why we see Good Buu in Super Buu`s body , along with the rest of the pods .

10-28-2006	#16 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question [quote user="ixidor"] Ridiculous... Ridiculous is to see you prefering you own theories to manga facts. Boo was there for thousands of years, in some kind of catatonic stated and his energy was minimal. Obviously, he had some energy to survive but obviously, the amount of energy he had was probably nothing more then a couple of thousands, just the enough to survive. Anyway, if you don't believe me, at least believe on babidi, that send goku and yakon to fight to another place because he had afraid they could "awake boo at half power", And understimations are quiet usually on dragon ball and the fact dabura was not imprecise with boo was due to his aspect and power. When he came out he came even weaker then ssj gohan and dabura, so it's perfectly natural that dabura, faced with such dumb and weak character (and with a jeaulous feeling that he was already sensing, as showed when he talk with babidi about how HE ould be his hencheman), he thought taht boo was worthless... And such thing never happened with babidi. This debate is pointless and the people that are doing it are even more. First i see people saying that gohan was a ssj against boo, now the same people say that fat boo couldn't have 2x times ssj2 gohan's power as max since this way he couln''t defeat a ssj2 gohan that easily... And let's not even talk about the fact that anyone who ever read dragon ball knows that a 2x times difference is a lot (goku versus ginew force ring any bell?). Also, i found completely laughfull someone claming that boo can have this pwoer due to his fight with ssj3 when goku himself stated that he was holding back againt. It's obviously to me that the people who don't accept all this statements are the same that want to power down goku.. [/quote] The amount of said power the fat Incarnation of Majin Boo was letting off whilst flying into a rage alone was a length away from his roof power and that Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta were stupefied amazed at in their stay, that Boo outstripped him and even SSj2 Possessed Vegeta who projected an intense aura in the SSj2 form with bolts dancing around it every which way with minimal seriousness at best. And to add, as Darkprince and I have said on many an ocassion - the discussion material in question's answer leads to them not being left to their own devices, but that Bobbodi and Dabra only knew the power that produced the prospect of their hopes of reviving Boo reaching fruition, but not an inkling of Boo's roof power which they could never chalk it up to, which is a length of distance away from such as an overall. __________________

12-02-2006	#17 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question You must have missed when Babidi was worried about reviving Fat Buu at half of his full power .Or the part when on the device it showed that Fat Buu is at half of full power , and Goku & Vegeta , through their fight filled the other half , and they were still standing even after consuming that much energy meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > 1/2 Fat Buu`s full power but not by much .

12-02-2006	#18 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question SSj2 Gohan's full energy = half the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu SSj2 Goku's full energy >> SSj2 Gohan's full energy ==> SSj2 Goku's full energy >> half the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu But this has nothing to do with Majin Buu's power level. It's just that. The energy needed to awaken Majin Buu. I don't see how it can be related to power level in any way. __________________ Empty until further notice.

12-02-2006	#19 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question The energy was donated to Buu . It was used to power him up . I`ve already showed some links to prove this . And as I said , Babidi had a device that showed Buu`s power . It was at half , and Goku`s SSJ2 energy managed to fill the other half , with Goku still standing . Meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > half of Fat Buu`s full power .

12-02-2006	#20 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question [quote user="V3g3t0"] The energy was donated to Buu . It was used to power him up . I`ve already showed some links to prove this . And as I said , Babidi had a device that showed Buu`s power . It was at half , and Goku`s SSJ2 energy managed to fill the other half , with Goku still standing . Meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > half of Fat Buu`s full power . [/quote]Again... the Fat Incarnation of Majin Boo's roof power is never reached. It's possible that even 50% of his roof power surpassed the amount of power he was at by a length. __________________

12-02-2006	#21 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question [quote user="V3g3t0"] The energy was donated to Buu . It was used to power him up . I`ve already showed some links to prove this . And as I said , Babidi had a device that showed Buu`s power . It was at half , and Goku`s SSJ2 energy managed to fill the other half , with Goku still standing . Meaning SSJ2 Goku`s energy > half of Fat Buu`s full power . [/quote] Babidee's device counted the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu, not Buu's power level. Look at it this way: Goku could most certainly own Gohan, both SS2, during early Buu saga. This is both stated and shown with relative clarity. I would go for a difference of 30% between them. So Goku SSj2 full power = 1.3x Gohan SSj2 full power And Majin Buu full power = 2x Gohan SSj2 full power Considering these facts, it's hard to believe Goku SSj3 had even difficulty in decisively and permanently destroying Majin Buu with a single blast. If things were this way, even though Majin Buu would be stronger than his SSj2 form, Goku would not be like "omg Vegeta we must go and try to stop Majin Buu now don't you see it?". He'd be like "OK Vegeta let's finish the fight and then we can take care of the little problem Buu is" __________________ Empty until further notice.

12-04-2006	#22 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question ----------------------------------- Again... the Fat Incarnation of Majin Boo's roof power is never reached. It's possible that even 50% of his roof power surpassed the amount of power he was at by a length. ----------------------------------- Prove that he could get stronger than he was when fighting Goku . ----------------------------------- Babidee's device counted the energy needed to awaken Majin Buu, not Buu's power level. Look at it this way: Goku could most certainly own Gohan, both SS2, during early Buu saga. This is both stated and shown with relative clarity. I would go for a difference of 30% between them. So Goku SSj2 full power = 1.3x Gohan SSj2 full power And Majin Buu full power = 2x Gohan SSj2 full power Considering these facts, it's hard to believe Goku SSj3 had even difficulty in decisively and permanently destroying Majin Buu with a single blast. If things were this way, even though Majin Buu would be stronger than his SSj2 form, Goku would not be like "omg Vegeta we must go and try to stop Majin Buu now don't you see it?". He'd be like "OK Vegeta let's finish the fight and then we can take care of the little problem Buu is" ----------------------------------- As a matter of fact it did measure Buu`s powerlevel . The energy was used to revive Majin Buu . Babidi was also worried for not reviving Buu at half of full power , meaning that Gohan filled half of Buu`s full power. And I already made some calculations in another thread on the versus forum , and the result didn`t contradict anything . And if Buu was stronger than both him & Vegeta I don`t see a reason he wouldn`t be like that , since he hadn`t yet revealed his SSJ3 .

12-05-2006	#24 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question Huh? Even after Buu was enraged Vegeta could resist his attacks a bit-also, he felt quite confident in that the ki he could muster with his suicide attack would be enough to permanently destroy Majin Buu-yet it wasn't, and that alone proves Majin Buu became more powerful than he was-and suddenly we see Majin Buu equalling off Goku SSj3 in strenght. As for Shin Buu, maybe when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu it worked kind of like a fusion, multiplying their combined power instead of just adding it. __________________ Empty until further notice.

12-05-2006	#25 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question ----------------------- As for Shin Buu, maybe when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu it worked kind of like a fusion, multiplying their combined power instead of just adding it. ------------------------ Says who ?

12-06-2006	#26 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question [quote user="SuperVegetto3"]As for Shin Buu, maybe when Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu it worked kind of like a fusion, multiplying their combined power instead of just adding it.[/quote]'Shin Buu' is no place near to a fusion... if I may be so confused? It's a transformation and just that, as by Piccolo's own aghast admittion on Page 9 of Volume 41 / 25. Not a length away from how when Piccolo assimilated with Nail, it was just indubeously that - an assimilation, and not a fusion (though the subject of circumstance with Shin Boo was nothing more than a transformation). __________________

12-06-2006	#27 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question I only said "fusion" to indicate the use of a multiplier and not just an addition of power levels. Yes it's practically an absorption, but I would place it closer to the one Piccolo underwent with Kami-sama, as it was practically the same thing: one being split into two that became complete again. __________________ Empty until further notice.

12-06-2006	#28 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question Absorbing means adding somebody`s power to its own . It`s not like a fusion , where the users`s powerlevels multiply . Even Super Buu said "With Gotenks`s power .. and Piccolo`s brains" . So he was going to use Gotenks`s power , not multiplying his own by absorbing him.

12-06-2006	#29 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question Shin Buu's absorption technique was not the same as Evil Buu's. Evil Buu somehow merged with Good Buu, much like Piccolo did with Kami-sama. Maybe the word absorption isn't the best to describe that, but it isn't pure merging either. __________________ Empty until further notice.

12-08-2006	#30 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Majin Boo (fat) Question ---------------------------------------------------- Shin Buu's absorption technique was not the same as Evil Buu's. Evil Buu somehow merged with Good Buu, much like Piccolo did with Kami-sama. Maybe the word absorption isn't the best to describe that, but it isn't pure merging either. --------------------------------------------------- No , Evil Buu didn`t merge with Good Buu . He absorbed him , that`s why we see Good Buu in Super Buu`s body , along with the rest of the pods .