Speed Of Light? - Page 9

**JAIF** · 12-12-2006

Instant Transmission.... is what it sounds like. Instant. There is no speed or anything-it is a teleport.

Deep Thought · 12-12-2006

I think that by the Buu-saga characters could go between 500-1000x the speed of light, and Akira Toriyama slowed everything down (I've said this before too). Even using Lengendary's new power list (where the numbers are actually HIGHER than the old on) it's still around what I said. This is my opinion, and pretty much noting will change that .

LegendaryBroli · 12-12-2006

but doesnt instant transmission kinda cuts through the fabric of time?

Aken_Bosch · 12-12-2006

[quote user="Deep thought"]I think that by the Buu-saga characters could go between 500-1000x the speed of light, and Akira Toriyama slowed everything down (I've said this before too). Even using Lengendary's new power list (where the numbers are actually HIGHER than the old on) it's still around what I said. This is my opinion, and pretty much noting will change that .[/quote]

It took Gotenks 29 minutes+ to circle the globe a few dozen times. That's less than 500-1000x. I'm sticking with this - not even close to light. If anything, 1/5 of C at max - and even that's pushing it.
[quote user="SuperVegetto3"]Instant Transmission.... is what it
sounds like. Instant. There is no speed or anything-it is a
teleport.[/quote]

If that were true about "Instant Transmission", then he'd be able to be everywhere in the Universe at once.
(Please remember to use the edit option as it's only a click away nonwithstanding. It's not a glaring or glancing flaw, or things of the such. --LegendarySSj7)

MSGohan · 12-13-2006

[quote user="Aken_Bosch"]It took Gotenks 29 minutes+ to circle the globe a few dozen times. That's less than 500-1000x. I'm sticking with this - not even close to light. If anything, 1/5 of C at max - and even that's pushing it. If that were true about "Instant Transmission", then he'd be able to be everywhere in the Universe at once.[/quote]
It would be a help to everyone if you'd just read this thread through, because all the stuff about Gotenks have been discussed. In sort the time it took him to circle the globe is NOT determinable. The rest is opinions and speculations.
About Goku's, it should be quite clear that it IS instantanious, if you had read the manga, since it is mentioned several places in the manga... I'm assuming you're basing you speculations on the english dubbed version of DBZ, where Goku says that he can travel at the speed of light with that move, which is nonse. No such thing where ever stated in the manga.

**JAIF** · 12-13-2006

[quote user="MSGohan"][quote user="Aken_Bosch"]It took Gotenks 29 minutes+ to circle the globe a few dozen times. That's less than 500-1000x. I'm sticking with this - not even close to light. If anything, 1/5 of C at max - and even that's pushing it. If that were true about "Instant Transmission", then he'd be able to be everywhere in the Universe at once.[/quote]
It would be a help to everyone if you'd just read this thread through, because all the stuff about Gotenks have been discussed. In sort the time it took him to circle the globe is NOT determinable. The rest is opinions and speculations.
About Goku's, it should be quite clear that it IS instantanious, if you had read the manga, since it is mentioned several places in the manga... I'm assuming you're basing you speculations on the english dubbed version of DBZ, where Goku says that he can travel at the speed of light with that move, which is nonse. No such thing where ever stated in the manga.
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But you can't stop him from saying what he thinks, even if it has been said before.
About the Shunkan Ido... you only have to look at the name...
Keep in mind though that travelling at the speed of light collapses with the most fundamental laws physics is based upon, so unless we were to completely ignore most of them, we have to assume that fighters in DBZ always got closer to the lightspeed, without ever achieving it. But we can just say its an anime so they can travel one gazillion times faster than the light. However, if they could travel at such a high speed, it would be useless for Goku to use Shunkan Ido to get, let's say, to Vegeta during the Buu saga, because his speed would bring him there before he could place his fingers on his forehead. When you're traveling at lightspeed, distances like from the one side of the planet to the other become nothing.

MSGohan · 12-13-2006

[quote user="SuperVegetto3"]
Keep in mind though that travelling at the speed of light collapses with the most fundamental laws physics is based upon, so unless we were to completely ignore most of them, we have to assume that fighters in DBZ always got closer to the lightspeed, without ever achieving it.[/quote]
I know this, and I've stated this in an earlier thread I created.

Quote:

But we can just say its an anime so they can travel one gazillion times faster than the light. However, if they could travel at such a high speed, it would be useless for Goku to use Shunkan Ido to get, let's say, to Vegeta during the Buu saga, because his speed would bring him there before he could place his fingers on his forehead. When you're traveling at lightspeed, distances like from the one side of the planet to the other become nothing.

What does this have to do with anything I posted in my reply? [<_<]
That they can move FTL is MY personal belief, I'm not trying to convince anyone else to belief the same.
And about the example you broad up: Goku couldn't have escaped Buu just by outrunning him. Also traveling speed isn't as fast as their movement speed.

**JAIF** · 12-13-2006

[quote user="MSGohan"]

Quote:

But we can just say its an anime so they can travel one gazillion times faster than the light. However, if they could travel at such a high speed, it would be useless for Goku to use Shunkan Ido to get, let's say, to Vegeta during the Buu saga, because his speed would bring him there before he could place his fingers on his forehead. When you're traveling at lightspeed, distances like from the one side of the planet to the other become nothing.

What does this have to do with anything I posted in my reply? [<_<]
[/quote]
Nothing. This is my comment on the original question.

SaiyajinPerfection · 12-15-2006

I thought Instant Transmission was when Goku dematerializes and travels as a mass of light.

MSGohan · 12-15-2006

That's exactly what Goku said in the english dub. Which is incorrect, he never says such a thing in the manga.

Daystar · 12-16-2006

Lol, this is true.
It's funny though.
Because in the Return Of Cooler movie, we see that Cooler himself has Shunkan Ido...
And there's a scene where Cooler is about to attack Vegeta, in this form of "mass of light"
But Goku intercepts this and takes Cooler down.
Who do we believe?

ram9 · 12-17-2006

question is how many fraction of second it will take before a creature die due to decompression at outer space since ssj gotenks flies at superspeed at its best (lightspeed) around the globe few dozen times at the height of exosphere or outer space, unlike the non-canon or fillers (which never actually happens) that vegeta,nappa and bardok was floating at outerspace and alive.if ssjgotenks flies at exosphere 1 second or more he will die due to decompression.
ssj gotenks didnt leave a tail of aura,its a streak of light its different from the tail of aura,comet and meteor.what amazing about this is that even when he already finish 1 round of circling around the globe all the streaks of light didnt disappear it still stays around the globe.now tell me when did a comet and meteor leave that kind of tail or if that was an tail of an aura that will disapear quickly just as always happen,actually toriyama wants to show us how fast really gotenks is.
note that gotenks (trunks and goten) was half-saiyan and half-human.in canon manga dbz no saiyan can survive outer space.
in manga/anime its possible to move at lightspeed as long as they manipulate their energy.just like how they manipulate it to fly,shoot blast,increase their power and speed.its possible,what theory of relativity's infinite energy and no mass to move at lightspeed was not manipulating energy.nothing is possible if they manipulate it.

MSGohan · 12-17-2006

Yeah, you would freeza virtually in an instant in outer space, due to the extreme low temperatures (even near the absolut 0). Their lungs would be wasted by the cold and it would be all over for them
But it still doesn't look like that Akira Toriyama had a definite speed in mind when creating the event. It would've ruined the storyline, if he had to keep the speed feats consistent. But it was easier for him to make a good storyline by ignoring the fact that it would cause inconsistencies due to their speed and similar parameters.
The moon was destroyed in a matter of seconds, so this should mean that their ki waves travel insanly fast, since the mean distance to the moon is about 384 000 km. And many have demonstrated the ability to outrun those type of ki blasts. Yet they still don't live up to such high speeds troughout the story.
The conclusion could be no definite speed can be determined, only that they're "fast". How fast, is left for oppinions.

gogeta is # 1 · 12-17-2006

And in the Bardock: Father of Goku special movie, they fly in outer space for a long time. I thought that movie was official. I heard once that it was made by Akira Toriyama himself. I have no idea if it's true. If it is, then that means that Full Sayians can breath in outer space That makes Gotenk's trip around the world dangerous since he is also human (he has sensitive lungs)( According to canon manga the movie isn't official I guess).

Tyro · 12-17-2006

All of the movies are non-canon. Akira did a two panels about Burdock, but they don't prove full blooded Saiyans can breathe in space.
And the idea is absurd anyway. If that was the case Freeza wouldn't be telling Goku he'd die in space if he knew Saiyans actually could live.

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Aken_Bosch (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="Deep thought"]I think that by the Buu-saga characters could go between 500-1000x the speed of light, and Akira Toriyama slowed everything down (I've said this before too). Even using Lengendary's new power list (where the numbers are actually HIGHER than the old on) it's still around what I said. This is my opinion, and pretty much noting will change that .[/quote] It took Gotenks 29 minutes+ to circle the globe a few dozen times. That's less than 500-1000x. I'm sticking with this - not even close to light. If anything, 1/5 of C at max - and even that's pushing it. [quote user="SuperVegetto3"]Instant Transmission.... is what it sounds like. Instant. There is no speed or anything-it is a teleport.[/quote] If that were true about "Instant Transmission", then he'd be able to be everywhere in the Universe at once. (Please remember to use the edit option as it's only a click away nonwithstanding. It's not a glaring or glancing flaw, or things of the such. --LegendarySSj7)

12-13-2006	#125 (permalink)
MSGohan (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 112 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="Aken_Bosch"]It took Gotenks 29 minutes+ to circle the globe a few dozen times. That's less than 500-1000x. I'm sticking with this - not even close to light. If anything, 1/5 of C at max - and even that's pushing it. If that were true about "Instant Transmission", then he'd be able to be everywhere in the Universe at once.[/quote] It would be a help to everyone if you'd just read this thread through, because all the stuff about Gotenks have been discussed. In sort the time it took him to circle the globe is NOT determinable. The rest is opinions and speculations. About Goku's, it should be quite clear that it IS instantanious, if you had read the manga, since it is mentioned several places in the manga... I'm assuming you're basing you speculations on the english dubbed version of DBZ, where Goku says that he can travel at the speed of light with that move, which is nonse. No such thing where ever stated in the manga.

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JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,843 Rep Power: 60	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="MSGohan"][quote user="Aken_Bosch"]It took Gotenks 29 minutes+ to circle the globe a few dozen times. That's less than 500-1000x. I'm sticking with this - not even close to light. If anything, 1/5 of C at max - and even that's pushing it. If that were true about "Instant Transmission", then he'd be able to be everywhere in the Universe at once.[/quote] It would be a help to everyone if you'd just read this thread through, because all the stuff about Gotenks have been discussed. In sort the time it took him to circle the globe is NOT determinable. The rest is opinions and speculations. About Goku's, it should be quite clear that it IS instantanious, if you had read the manga, since it is mentioned several places in the manga... I'm assuming you're basing you speculations on the english dubbed version of DBZ, where Goku says that he can travel at the speed of light with that move, which is nonse. No such thing where ever stated in the manga. [/quote] But you can't stop him from saying what he thinks, even if it has been said before. About the Shunkan Ido... you only have to look at the name... Keep in mind though that travelling at the speed of light collapses with the most fundamental laws physics is based upon, so unless we were to completely ignore most of them, we have to assume that fighters in DBZ always got closer to the lightspeed, without ever achieving it. But we can just say its an anime so they can travel one gazillion times faster than the light. However, if they could travel at such a high speed, it would be useless for Goku to use Shunkan Ido to get, let's say, to Vegeta during the Buu saga, because his speed would bring him there before he could place his fingers on his forehead. When you're traveling at lightspeed, distances like from the one side of the planet to the other become nothing. __________________ Empty until further notice.

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SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 22	Re: Speed Of Light? I thought Instant Transmission was when Goku dematerializes and travels as a mass of light. __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

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MSGohan (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 112 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? That's exactly what Goku said in the english dub. Which is incorrect, he never says such a thing in the manga.

12-16-2006	#131 (permalink)
Daystar (2) Farmer w/Shotgun Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Re: Speed Of Light? Lol, this is true. It's funny though. Because in the Return Of Cooler movie, we see that Cooler himself has Shunkan Ido... And there's a scene where Cooler is about to attack Vegeta, in this form of "mass of light" But Goku intercepts this and takes Cooler down. Who do we believe? __________________

12-17-2006	#132 (permalink)
ram9 (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 78 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? question is how many fraction of second it will take before a creature die due to decompression at outer space since ssj gotenks flies at superspeed at its best (lightspeed) around the globe few dozen times at the height of exosphere or outer space, unlike the non-canon or fillers (which never actually happens) that vegeta,nappa and bardok was floating at outerspace and alive.if ssjgotenks flies at exosphere 1 second or more he will die due to decompression. ssj gotenks didnt leave a tail of aura,its a streak of light its different from the tail of aura,comet and meteor.what amazing about this is that even when he already finish 1 round of circling around the globe all the streaks of light didnt disappear it still stays around the globe.now tell me when did a comet and meteor leave that kind of tail or if that was an tail of an aura that will disapear quickly just as always happen,actually toriyama wants to show us how fast really gotenks is. note that gotenks (trunks and goten) was half-saiyan and half-human.in canon manga dbz no saiyan can survive outer space. in manga/anime its possible to move at lightspeed as long as they manipulate their energy.just like how they manipulate it to fly,shoot blast,increase their power and speed.its possible,what theory of relativity's infinite energy and no mass to move at lightspeed was not manipulating energy.nothing is possible if they manipulate it.

12-17-2006	#133 (permalink)
MSGohan (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 112 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? Yeah, you would freeza virtually in an instant in outer space, due to the extreme low temperatures (even near the absolut 0). Their lungs would be wasted by the cold and it would be all over for them But it still doesn't look like that Akira Toriyama had a definite speed in mind when creating the event. It would've ruined the storyline, if he had to keep the speed feats consistent. But it was easier for him to make a good storyline by ignoring the fact that it would cause inconsistencies due to their speed and similar parameters. The moon was destroyed in a matter of seconds, so this should mean that their ki waves travel insanly fast, since the mean distance to the moon is about 384 000 km. And many have demonstrated the ability to outrun those type of ki blasts. Yet they still don't live up to such high speeds troughout the story. The conclusion could be no definite speed can be determined, only that they're "fast". How fast, is left for oppinions.

12-17-2006	#134 (permalink)
gogeta is # 1 (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 850 Rep Power: 4	Re: Speed Of Light? And in the Bardock: Father of Goku special movie, they fly in outer space for a long time. I thought that movie was official. I heard once that it was made by Akira Toriyama himself. I have no idea if it's true. If it is, then that means that Full Sayians can breath in outer space That makes Gotenk's trip around the world dangerous since he is also human (he has sensitive lungs)( According to canon manga the movie isn't official I guess). __________________ lolololol

12-17-2006	#135 (permalink)
Tyro (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Somerset, Kentucky Posts: 1,043 Rep Power: 7	Re: Speed Of Light? All of the movies are non-canon. Akira did a two panels about Burdock, but they don't prove full blooded Saiyans can breathe in space. And the idea is absurd anyway. If that was the case Freeza wouldn't be telling Goku he'd die in space if he knew Saiyans actually could live.