LegendarySSJ7

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SaiyajinPerfection

I don't ever remember King Kai saying anything about Goku and Frieza's speed (In the Manga). It should be in Volume 11 (Dragonball 27) in case anyone wants to look. I am unfortunately unable to locate my copy at the present time.

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Buutenks

[quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] All I'm saying is that Piccolo could've caught up with him in WAY less then 28 minutes. (Or 27, whatever). Maybe two minutes at the most.
*No change from Super Saiyan when he laid down to the time he jumped up when Piccolo arrived (Which makes it a possibility that he bluffed about the nap).
*The time it took Piccolo to catch up with him is WAY too long (considering Gotenks only circled the Earth a few dozen times, which would've taken him only a few seconds), which suggests that Gotenks in nowhere near the speed of light while flying; fighting, yes I agree. I said a while ago that I thought the only light speed occurred when fighting and traveling short distances.
I'm only presenting evidence. I will drop this matter now, but I want other users to see this so they can formulate their own opinions.
[/quote] Acually if you think about it Gotenks may have taken a nap because Toriyama probably said that to fill the time,I doubt Toriyama made Gotenks to go around the world in 28 minutes,so he probably made Gotenks ot sleep for 26-27 minutes and to make his tirp in 1 or two minutes and in the anime Gotenks went alot of times around the world in 10 seconds.

And in the anime it showed Gotenks taking a nap as a ssj,so maybe it took Piccolo 26 minutes to go where Gotenks was because I doubt he could follow him in space.But then it means that Piccolo can't fly faster than 30,000 km/h which I find stupid because that would mean that he's not that much faster than saiyan saga Goku.

So Gotenks took a nap as a ssj and it took Piccolo 25-26 minutes to get to where Gotenks was sleeping.Or you could say that Piccolo wasn't flying nowhere near his max speed,so that's why it took him so long to go to Gotenks.Or in other words Piccolo not reaching Gotenks in a couple of minutes is a plot device.

And look at this: -image removed-

You see that small skinny panel right between the panel where it showed Gotenks landing and the othe panel on the right where it shows Gotenks talking ot Piccolo?You could see that it's an empty panel and that shows that Gotenks did took a nap while waiting for Piccolo to arrive there.

So liek I said,Piccolo nto catching up to Gotenks in a couple of minutes is a plot device because if not then it means that he's not that much faster thna saiyan saga Goku.

Please re-read the forum rules on fanslated manga scans, especially those emanating from Dranet. -The Chibi Kiriyama

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Legendary Super Saiya-Jin



No one can stand up to Cell....

SaiyajinPerfection

That's not a very good scan, it was done by a fan (see rules about Manga scans). Regardless, the panel shows him waiting (undetermined amount of time), it doesn't show him sleeping. It doesn't even show Gotenks at all in that panel, and he says nothing about taking a nap.
The Earth is Roughly 30,000 miles in Diameter.
A kilometer is roughly 2/3 of a mile. Your logic proves my point, Piccolo could've caught up with Gotenks in under 2 seconds. Going by your logic, (the Earth being 30,000 miles in circumfrence) Piccolo could've covered 2/3 of the Earth in just one second. (1 km =.66 of 1 mile; 30,000 km = .66 of 30,000 miles.) If Piccolo could travel that fast, then he doesn't need 26 minutes to catch up with Gotenks, and why wouldn't he fly at full speed? It doesn't make sense why he wouldn't want to, considering he had to catch up with Gotenks so Gotenks wouldn't make a stupid decision and get killed by Buu.

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The Chibi Kiriyama

[quote user="demonkingpiccolo"]If Piccolo could travel that fast, then he doesn't need 26 minutes to catch up with Gotenks, and why wouldn't he fly at full speed? It doesn't make sense why he wouldn't want to, considering he had to catch up with Gotenks so Gotenks wouldn't make a stupid decision and get killed by Buu.[/quote]
While the speed issue is debateable, Goku was fully certain that at the full power they could achieve through Metamorese fusion they could have beaten the fat incarnation of Majin Boo. Super Saiyan was that full power. So even if he was trying to stop them it wasn't about them getting killed. It was that they were squandering their time showing off how great they were now that they could access the Super Saiyan form as Gotenks, and then recklessly went to confront Boo with only a minute of time left. Hence the "two-brained half-wit" remark.

Buutenks

[quote user="demonkingpiccolo"]That's not a very good scan, it was done by a fan (see rules about Manga scans). Regardless, the panel shows him waiting (undetermined amount of time), it doesn't show him sleeping. It doesn't even show Gotenks at all in that panel, and he says nothing about taking a nap.
The Earth is Roughly 30,000 miles in Diameter.
A kilometer is roughly 2/3 of a mile. Your logic proves my point, Piccolo could've caught up with Gotenks in under 2 seconds. Going by your logic, (the Earth being 30,000 miles in circumfrence) Piccolo could've covered 2/3 of the Earth in just one second. (1 km =.66 of 1 mile; 30,000 km = .66 of 30,000 miles.) If Piccolo could travel that fast, then he doesn't need 26 minutes to catch up with Gotenks, and why wouldn't he fly at full speed? It doesn't make sense why he wouldn't want to, considering he had to catch up with Gotenks so Gotenks wouldn't make a stupid decision and get killed by Buu.
[/quote]And what in the world are you talking about going by my logic?I just said that Gotenks made his tirp in one minute and after that he either took a nap or just waited there for Piccolo.And I said that Piccolo not reaching Gotenks in a couple of minutes is a plot device.And I said that if Piccolo doesn't fly faster than 30,000 km/h(not seconds,but hour and I'm saying km not miles) it means that he can't fly that much faster than saiyan saga Goku who can travel 1,000,000 km in just 2 days.
I don't know why you even said what you said,if you can fly with 30,000 km/h it takes you more than 1 hour to go around the earth one time.It took Piccolo around 26 minutes to go to where Gotenks,so it means that he isn't that much faster than saiyan saga goku which I say it's BS.So like I said Piccolo taking around 26 minutes to get to where Gotenks was is a plot device because it should have only taken him 5 minutes to get to where Gotenks was standing.

Edit:Oops,Sorry demonpiccolo,I just re-read my post and I saw that I wrote 30,000 km/s instead of writting 30,000 km/h.Sorry,please forgive me,sorry.I apologize for what I did,sorry.

Gotenks can't even fly with 30,000 km/s,so sorry for writting 30,000 km/s instead of writting 30,000 km/h.Sorry.

I say that Piccolo can fly with 500,000 km/h or even faster and that him taking 26 minutes to get to Gotenks is a plot device.So I apologize,sorry for writting 30,00 km/s.I mean think,if he can fly with only 30,000 km/h it means that he isn't faster than saiayn saga Goku and that he isn't faster thna Freeza saga Goku and that he isn't faster thna ssj Vegeta from the Cell saga,etc.So it must be a plot device.

I mean think,saiayn saga Goku can fly with 22,000 km/h,now Freeza is way faster thna that and Piccolo is way faster thna piccolo,so i think that Piccolo could at least fly with 500,000 km/h at max speed.So Piccolo catching Gotenks in around 26 minutes is a plot device.or Piccolo didn't went nowhere near his max speed,

And ssj gotenks is stronger than Fat Buu,so maybe Piccolo didn't went at max speed .Either this or it's a plot device.

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No one can stand up to Cell....

SaiyajinPerfection

[quote user="Buutenks"][quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] That's not a very good scan, it was done by a fan (see rules about Manga scans). Regardless, the panel shows him waiting (undetermined amount of time), it doesn't show him sleeping. It doesn't even show Gotenks at all in that panel, and he says nothing about taking a nap.
The Earth is Roughly 30,000 miles in Diameter.
A kilometer is roughly 2/3 of a mile. Your logic proves my point, Piccolo could've caught up with Gotenks in under 2 seconds. Going by your logic, (the Earth being 30,000 miles in circumfrence) Piccolo could've covered 2/3 of the Earth in just one second. (1 km =.66 of 1 mile; 30,000 km = .66 of 30,000 miles.) If Piccolo could travel that fast, then he doesn't need 26 minutes to catch up with Gotenks, and why wouldn't he fly at full speed? It doesn't make sense why he wouldn't want to, considering he had to catch up with Gotenks so Gotenks wouldn't make a stupid decision and get killed by Buu.
[/quote]And what in the world are you talking about going by my logic?I just said that Gotenks made his tirp in one minute and after that he either took a nap or just waited there for Piccolo.And I said that Piccolo not reaching Gotenks in a couple of minutes is a plot device.And I said that if Piccolo doesn't fly faster than 30,000 km/h(not seconds,but hour and I'm saying km not miles) it means that he can't fly that much faster than saiyan saga Goku who can travel 1,000,000 km in just 2 days.
I don't know why you even said what you said,if you can fly with 30,000 km/h it takes you more than 1 hour to go around the earth one time.It took Piccolo around 26 minutes to go to where Gotenks,so it means that he isn't that much faster than saiyan saga goku which I say it's BS.So like I said Piccolo taking around 26 minutes to get to where Gotenks was is a plot device because it should have only taken him 5 minutes to get to where Gotenks was standing.

Edit:Oops,Sorry demonpiccolo,I just re-read my post and I saw that I wrote 30,000 km/s instead of writting 30,000 km/h.Sorry,please forgive me,sorry.I apologize for what I did,sorry.

Gotenks can't even fly with 30,000 km/s,so sorry for writting 30,000 km/s instead of writting 30,000 km/h.Sorry.

I say that Piccolo can fly with 500,000 km/h or even faster and that him taking 26 minutes to get to Gotenks is a plot device.So I apologize,sorry for writting 30,00 km/s.I mean think,if he can fly with only 30,000 km/h it means that he isn't faster than saiayn saga Goku and that he isn't faster thna Freeza saga Goku and that he isn't faster thna ssj Vegeta from the Cell saga,etc.So it must be a plot device.

I mean think,saiayn saga Goku can fly with 22,000 km/h,now Freeza is way faster thna that and Piccolo is way faster thna piccolo,so i think that Piccolo could at least fly with 500,000 km/h at max speed.So Piccolo catching Gotenks in around 26 minutes is a plot device.or Piccolo didn't went nowhere near his max speed,

And ssj gotenks is stronger than Fat Buu,so maybe Piccolo didn't went at max speed .Either this or it's a plot device.




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You are forgiven.
We can only speculate why it took Piccolo 26 minutes to catch Gotenks, I too believe it is a plot device. I just think Toriyama was emphasizing Gotenks' extreme speed compared to Piccolo's and it has nothing to do with actual reasoning or data. Piccolo could've easily caught Gotenks (after he had landed) in less time then Toriyama presented. The problem with the Earth is that it is round, so shortcuts to "catch someone" are always there. On the other hand, if the Earth was a flat plane, then I believe that it would've taken Piccolo 26 minutes to catch Gotenks (Example: You have a better chance of quickly catching your friend if they run around you in cirlces then you do if they decide to run from you to the ball park 2 blocks away. Same distance is traveled, but the same distance is not covered from the original starting point.)

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ultimate sayia-jin 5

Since I revised my Power level list I figured I might as well put my new opionion on certain charcters speeds
SSJ Goku (First Time): 1,142 Astinomacal Units Per Second. (A Light Year Equals 63,072 AU's)
SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Saga): 4.98 Light Years Per Second.
SSJ Vegetto: 4,529.97 Light Years Per Second At that speed he could circle the Milky Way Galaxy in 44.15 Seconds (The Milky Way Galaxy's Circumfrance is 200,000 LY)
Vegetto If he used SSJ3: 67,949.55 Light Years Per Second at that speed he could circle the Milky Way Galaxy in 2.95 Seconds.

SaiyajinPerfection

[quote user="ultimate sayia-jin 5"] Since I revised my Power level list I figured I might as well put my new opionion on certain charcters speeds
SSJ Goku (First Time): 1,142 Astinomacal Units Per Second. (A Light Year Equals 63,072 AU's)
SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Saga): 4.98 Light Years Per Second.
SSJ Vegetto: 4,529.97 Light Years Per Second At that speed he could circle the Milky Way Galaxy in 44.15 Seconds (The Milky Way Galaxy's Circumfrance is 200,000 LY)
Vegetto If he used SSJ3: 67,949.55 Light Years Per Second at that speed he could circle the Milky Way Galaxy in 2.95 Seconds.
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Sorry, but I highly doubt your reasoning. Light years get very confusing because a light year implys how far something travels for one year, not how fast it goes (we already know the speed of light). (e.g: The sun is eight light minutes from the earth). Could you please explain how you got your reasoning? Because it sounds to me that you're implying that the characters of dragonball are Billion if not trillions of times faster then the speed of light.

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ultimate sayia-jin 5

[quote user="demonkingpiccolo"][quote user="ultimate sayia-jin 5"] Since I revised my Power level list I figured I might as well put my new opionion on certain charcters speeds
SSJ Goku (First Time): 1,142 Astinomacal Units Per Second. (A Light Year Equals 63,072 AU's)
SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Saga): 4.98 Light Years Per Second.
SSJ Vegetto: 4,529.97 Light Years Per Second At that speed he could circle the Milky Way Galaxy in 44.15 Seconds (The Milky Way Galaxy's Circumfrance is 200,000 LY)
Vegetto If he used SSJ3: 67,949.55 Light Years Per Second at that speed he could circle the Milky Way Galaxy in 2.95 Seconds.
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Sorry, but I highly doubt your reasoning. Light years get very confusing because a light year implys how far something travels for one year, not how fast it goes (we already know the speed of light). (e.g: The sun is eight light minutes from the earth). Could you please explain how you got your reasoning? Because it sounds to me that you're implying that the characters of dragonball are Billion if not trillions of times faster then the speed of light.
[/quote] What I am saying is that Roshi's Kamehameha got to the moon in about a second this was a plot device but it still happened in the manga making it a usable debate. Roshi's kamehameha is comenly estimated at 350 for its powerlevel so I am usig that for my number. Also i want to know I am aware what a Light Year is. I will demonstrate the formula
A Light Second is 186,000 Miles multiply that by sixty twice and you get a Light Hour. Multiply that by 24 to get a Light Day, and by 365 to get a Light Year. (5,865,696,000,000 Miles) I have SSJ2 Gohan's power level at 55,000,000,000 dividing that by 350 gives 157,142,857.142 which is how many times stronger he is then I multiply it by 186,000 since the kamehameha got to the moon at around light speed to get 29,228,571,428,571 Miles Per Second. After that I divide that by the length of a light year and get 4.98 Light Years Per Second. As a final note I want you to know I did use a calculator so these are exact except for how many places the decimals after the number go.

SuperTien

It's amazing how you guys dedicated yourself to this topic, Thumbs up to science.
Okay now for my ideas.
They must be able to travel the speed of light.
1. Akira says so , correct?
2. Piccolo states that radditz is faster than light , for his special beam canon moves the speed of light
3. To create an after image you must be moving near the speed of light , this was accoplished at dragonball powerlevels, so DBZ they are much stronger and able to exceed these speeds
Also on the topic of the beams of light that are the created by gotenks , The artists in the manga and anime ,never thought we would be consentraion on how many there where. Concerning this, Things that travel the speed of light distort the length of things , so 10 times around the earth could look like 7 or less depending on his speed.
Also I beleive when the Z fighters fight they creat gravity . There G forces would be amazing, For exaple Super buu and ssj3 gotenks creat worm holes , probbaly by tearing space time reality with gravity stronger than black holes, but confined to a small space , with a short life(because of the energy.

Now the Z-fighters , when fighting and flying later in the series can create short time worm holes, by traveling at the speed of a black hole for short distances,

Tyro

[quote user="SuperTien"]1. Akira says so , correct?[/quote]
The interview was fake.
[quote user="SuperTien"]2. Piccolo states that radditz is faster than light , for his special beam canon moves the speed of light[/quote]
Bad dubbing stated Raditz moved faster than light. And nothing was ever stated for ki speeds.

SuperTien

Thanks Tyro for clearing those up for me, I always argued with my friends about special beam canon traveling speed of light.
I believe if they cant move the speed of light, then they must be very close, like others have mentioned on here.

ultimate sayia-jin 5

[quote user="SuperTien"] Thanks Tyro for clearing those up for me, I always argued with my friends about special beam canon traveling speed of light.
I believe if they cant move the speed of light, then they must be very close, like others have mentioned on here.
[/quote] While the dub usually messes up I think they could have been right for this time although it proboly was not intentional. The concept of chi says that it is the energy of life in the universe since anything that is raw energy has no mass which means it will travel at light speed and chi is energy. Also just because it has no mass does not mean it cannot hurt people since lasers can hurt people when the energy is concentrated and the Chi blasts are basicly concentrated chi energy. The Chi blasts however still get faster as the manga goes on because light can also have it's speed increased if concentrated properly and as there strength increases so does there control, at least thats the way I see it. As a final not Raditz moves at 3.55C by my estimates. That is 660,300 Miles Per Second

SuperTien

660,300 Miles Per Second , at his fastest correct? He probably didnt move that fas the first time he hit goku and piccolo.