Speed Of Light? - Page 2

params7 · 08-23-2006

In the manga, Mr. Popo was already faster than the speed of lightning.
Though, I tend to beleive flightspeed and fightspeed in DBZ is different. That is, they can actualy fight in speeds way, way faster than what they can actualy travel at.

In the anime however, King Kai could not sense Goku and Freeza fighting. and he could easily sense faster than light spacepods.
So I think at least by Buu saga, most of the DBZ characters are beyond the speed of light.

Gozar · 08-23-2006

Well from what I read on Wikipedia, Lightning travels 100 Million FEET per second which acording to my calculations is roughly 19,250 Miles per second...now the Speed of light is, like 180,000 MPS? Which means only a 9.3x increase would be needed in speed. I'd say he could be at the SOL, by, I know it's a Dub reference, but perhaps Raditz would be close & Nappa would surpass.

mAIOR · 08-24-2006

As I heard someone saying, "a rocket travels at 7 milles per scond and can still be seen by the naked eye".
That proves nothing.
A bullet is slower than that and you cannot see it. it's a matter of size/speed ratio.
As for traveling faster than light, you have to remember that the speed of light isn't the same in all regions. There are theories of super high energy strings
that make regions where light is faster. And I suppose a PL of a couple billions would make this happen (if this theory is ever proven correct)...

Cheers...

ultimate sayia-jin 5 · 08-24-2006

mAIOR thats a good point you bring up however Seeing how Goku has is 100 times larger then a bullet the speed for him to become invisble would be much higher even form hand guns the bu,llets move at least 300 Miles per Hour at least 8.3 Miles per second to be invisible, of course this is assuming it works linear and he is exactly 100 times bigger
Params 7 your theroy is interesting however one thing you have to remember is most of the times ther were flying they had a reason not to go all out On Namek they didi not want to be sensed by Vegeta on Earth they were trying to sneak up on bobadi so they would not want to fly at speed as not to be sensed, the second one is just speculation though. When Goku used Shodou Ikan for the first time they were shocked how fast he traved a couple thousand Miles, however that wax probaly because it was so much faster then the speed they thought goku could travel that in, but instead it turned out to be infinitly fast.

ixidor · 08-24-2006

I know one thing: in order to do one zazenko, you must be extremly fast, by earth rules, and by the first budokai, both goku and kame were weaklings, and they could do it. So, i doubt that a ssj goku against freeza was not faster then the speed of light, lol...

Gozar · 08-24-2006

What about the lightning theory guys?

ultimate sayia-jin 5 · 08-25-2006

[quote user="Gozar"] What about the lightning theory guys?
[/quote]Well In my opion Mr. Popo has a power level of about 280 however as we have already astablished dragonball power levels are imposible, but lets ignore that for now. since Mr. Popo is faster than lightning i'll say he moves at 20,000 Miles Per Second which would mean a power level of 2,604 would move at the speed of light. Also the Dub line was not to far off if you listen to the name of piccolo's attack it is called The LIGHT of Death meaning it is a light based energy blast and Raditz dodged it after it was lunched meaning for once the dub could atcually be right.

SaiyajinPerfection · 08-28-2006

By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light.
I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5,
Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death").
The speed of light is approx. 186,000 miles per second.

Tyro · 08-28-2006

[quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light.
I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5,
Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death").[/quote]
Just because an attack is called "Light of Death" doesn't mean it travels the speed of light. Nor is it ever implied at any point during the manga.

SaiyajinPerfection · 08-28-2006

[quote user="Tyro"][quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light.
I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5,
Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death").[/quote]
Just because an attack is called "Light of Death" doesn't mean it travels the speed of light. Nor is it ever implied at any point during the manga.
[/quote]
I can't find my DBZ volume 1 (Or Volume 17 if we'd like to get technical), but I think I remember reading something about it there.
Well actually, I have a OLD volume 1, I don't know if they're different. (I bought it when they costed like $11 a volume or something).

**Sharky** · 08-28-2006

(If I recall correctly) If someone where to travel at the speed of light they could travel anywhere instantly. Well, to them it would instant, but to everyone else time would have passed regularly. In other words if you can travel at the speed of light, you can travel through time.
Also, isn't it stated that Goku's instant transmission is him travelling at the speed of light? So if that's true, then if Gotenks were to be traveling at the speed of light he would be going just as fast as Goku's instant transmission (which doesn't make any sense).

ultimate sayia-jin 5 · 08-28-2006

[quote user="Sharky"] (If I recall correctly) If someone where to travel at the speed of light they could travel anywhere instantly. Well, to them it would instant, but to everyone else time would have passed regularly. In other words if you can travel at the speed of light, you can travel through time.
Also, isn't it stated that Goku's instant transmission is him travelling at the speed of light? So if that's true, then if Gotenks were to be traveling at the speed of light he would be going just as fast as Goku's instant transmission (which doesn't make any sense).
[/quote] Actually Shodou Ikan is infinitly fast the light speed thing was a mistake in the dubbing, and concerning the Gotenks thing I would say using the lighting Theroy and my most recent Power level estimate list Pre RoSaT SSJ Gotenks moves 1.39 Lightyears a second

Gozar · 08-28-2006

[quote user="Sharky"] (If I recall correctly) If someone where to travel at the speed of light they could travel anywhere instantly. Well, to them it would instant, but to everyone else time would have passed regularly. In other words if you can travel at the speed of light, you can travel through time.
Also, isn't it stated that Goku's instant transmission is him travelling at the speed of light? So if that's true, then if Gotenks were to be traveling at the speed of light he would be going just as fast as Goku's instant transmission (which doesn't make any sense).
[/quote]
Acctually no, it is "instant", the dub however says for some reason "186,000 MPS".

ultimate sayia-jin 5 · 08-30-2006

[quote user="Tyro"][quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light.
I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5,
Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death").[/quote]
Just because an attack is called "Light of Death" doesn't mean it travels the speed of light. Nor is it ever implied at any point during the manga.
[/quote]Alright I know it was not stated but the concept of chi says that it is the energy of life in the universe since anything that is raw energy has no mass and chi is energy and energy moves at light speed. Also just because it has no mass does not mean it cannot hurt people since lasers can hurt people when the energy is concentrated and the Chi blasts are basicly concentrated chi energy. The Chi blasts however still get faster as the manga goes on because light can also have it's speed increased if concentrated properly and as there strength increases so does there control, at least thats the way I see it.

Buutenks · 09-05-2006

Well that didn't even happen in the anime,I re watched the whole Freeza fihgt and there is no scene where king kai couldn't sense Freeza and Goku moving.One time when Goku fired a kameha at Freeza his antennas exploded.
But they still can fight at light speed,this is because of Mr. Popo's statement and even if you ignore this statement they still should logically be able to fight that fast.
Master Roshi can move at least at sonic speeds and he can see things moving that fast,but he couldn't see Goku,even Tien could barely see him with his three eyes.Now Tao pai pai was moving so fast that Kid Goku could barley see him and so on untill we get to the end of the show.So I say that they could fight at light speed in the Freeza saga but they couldn't fly that fast.

08-23-2006	#16 (permalink)
params7 (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 61 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? In the manga, Mr. Popo was already faster than the speed of lightning. Though, I tend to beleive flightspeed and fightspeed in DBZ is different. That is, they can actualy fight in speeds way, way faster than what they can actualy travel at. In the anime however, King Kai could not sense Goku and Freeza fighting. and he could easily sense faster than light spacepods. So I think at least by Buu saga, most of the DBZ characters are beyond the speed of light.

08-23-2006	#17 (permalink)
Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Speed Of Light? Well from what I read on Wikipedia, Lightning travels 100 Million FEET per second which acording to my calculations is roughly 19,250 Miles per second...now the Speed of light is, like 180,000 MPS? Which means only a 9.3x increase would be needed in speed. I'd say he could be at the SOL, by, I know it's a Dub reference, but perhaps Raditz would be close & Nappa would surpass. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

08-24-2006	#18 (permalink)
mAIOR (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? As I heard someone saying, "a rocket travels at 7 milles per scond and can still be seen by the naked eye". That proves nothing. A bullet is slower than that and you cannot see it. it's a matter of size/speed ratio. As for traveling faster than light, you have to remember that the speed of light isn't the same in all regions. There are theories of super high energy strings that make regions where light is faster. And I suppose a PL of a couple billions would make this happen (if this theory is ever proven correct)... Cheers...

08-24-2006	#19 (permalink)
ultimate sayia-jin 5 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 214 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? mAIOR thats a good point you bring up however Seeing how Goku has is 100 times larger then a bullet the speed for him to become invisble would be much higher even form hand guns the bu,llets move at least 300 Miles per Hour at least 8.3 Miles per second to be invisible, of course this is assuming it works linear and he is exactly 100 times bigger Params 7 your theroy is interesting however one thing you have to remember is most of the times ther were flying they had a reason not to go all out On Namek they didi not want to be sensed by Vegeta on Earth they were trying to sneak up on bobadi so they would not want to fly at speed as not to be sensed, the second one is just speculation though. When Goku used Shodou Ikan for the first time they were shocked how fast he traved a couple thousand Miles, however that wax probaly because it was so much faster then the speed they thought goku could travel that in, but instead it turned out to be infinitly fast.

08-24-2006	#20 (permalink)
ixidor (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 4	Re: Speed Of Light? I know one thing: in order to do one zazenko, you must be extremly fast, by earth rules, and by the first budokai, both goku and kame were weaklings, and they could do it. So, i doubt that a ssj goku against freeza was not faster then the speed of light, lol...

08-24-2006	#21 (permalink)
Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Speed Of Light? What about the lightning theory guys? __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

08-25-2006	#22 (permalink)
ultimate sayia-jin 5 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 214 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="Gozar"] What about the lightning theory guys? [/quote]Well In my opion Mr. Popo has a power level of about 280 however as we have already astablished dragonball power levels are imposible, but lets ignore that for now. since Mr. Popo is faster than lightning i'll say he moves at 20,000 Miles Per Second which would mean a power level of 2,604 would move at the speed of light. Also the Dub line was not to far off if you listen to the name of piccolo's attack it is called The LIGHT of Death meaning it is a light based energy blast and Raditz dodged it after it was lunched meaning for once the dub could atcually be right.

08-28-2006	#23 (permalink)
SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 20	Re: Speed Of Light? By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light. I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5, Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death"). The speed of light is approx. 186,000 miles per second. __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

08-28-2006	#24 (permalink)
Tyro (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Somerset, Kentucky Posts: 1,043 Rep Power: 7	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light. I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5, Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death").[/quote] Just because an attack is called "Light of Death" doesn't mean it travels the speed of light. Nor is it ever implied at any point during the manga.

08-28-2006	#25 (permalink)
SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 20	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="Tyro"][quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light. I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5, Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death").[/quote] Just because an attack is called "Light of Death" doesn't mean it travels the speed of light. Nor is it ever implied at any point during the manga. [/quote] I can't find my DBZ volume 1 (Or Volume 17 if we'd like to get technical), but I think I remember reading something about it there. Well actually, I have a OLD volume 1, I don't know if they're different. (I bought it when they costed like $11 a volume or something). __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

08-28-2006	#26 (permalink)
Sharky Administrator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,249 Rep Power: 200	Re: Speed Of Light? (If I recall correctly) If someone where to travel at the speed of light they could travel anywhere instantly. Well, to them it would instant, but to everyone else time would have passed regularly. In other words if you can travel at the speed of light, you can travel through time. Also, isn't it stated that Goku's instant transmission is him travelling at the speed of light? So if that's true, then if Gotenks were to be traveling at the speed of light he would be going just as fast as Goku's instant transmission (which doesn't make any sense). __________________

08-28-2006	#27 (permalink)
ultimate sayia-jin 5 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 214 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="Sharky"] (If I recall correctly) If someone where to travel at the speed of light they could travel anywhere instantly. Well, to them it would instant, but to everyone else time would have passed regularly. In other words if you can travel at the speed of light, you can travel through time. Also, isn't it stated that Goku's instant transmission is him travelling at the speed of light? So if that's true, then if Gotenks were to be traveling at the speed of light he would be going just as fast as Goku's instant transmission (which doesn't make any sense). [/quote] Actually Shodou Ikan is infinitly fast the light speed thing was a mistake in the dubbing, and concerning the Gotenks thing I would say using the lighting Theroy and my most recent Power level estimate list Pre RoSaT SSJ Gotenks moves 1.39 Lightyears a second

08-28-2006	#28 (permalink)
Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="Sharky"] (If I recall correctly) If someone where to travel at the speed of light they could travel anywhere instantly. Well, to them it would instant, but to everyone else time would have passed regularly. In other words if you can travel at the speed of light, you can travel through time. Also, isn't it stated that Goku's instant transmission is him travelling at the speed of light? So if that's true, then if Gotenks were to be traveling at the speed of light he would be going just as fast as Goku's instant transmission (which doesn't make any sense). [/quote] Acctually no, it is "instant", the dub however says for some reason "186,000 MPS". __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

08-30-2006	#29 (permalink)
ultimate sayia-jin 5 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 214 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? [quote user="Tyro"][quote user="demonkingpiccolo"] By the Vegeta saga, goku could travel faster then the speed of light. I agree Ultimate saiya-jin 5, Raditz could dodge faster then the speed of light when he first arrived on Earth. (Piccolo's Makenkasappo actually translates as "the light of Death", not Special Beam Cannon.) and that attack travels at the speed of light. (hence: "Light of Death").[/quote] Just because an attack is called "Light of Death" doesn't mean it travels the speed of light. Nor is it ever implied at any point during the manga. [/quote]Alright I know it was not stated but the concept of chi says that it is the energy of life in the universe since anything that is raw energy has no mass and chi is energy and energy moves at light speed. Also just because it has no mass does not mean it cannot hurt people since lasers can hurt people when the energy is concentrated and the Chi blasts are basicly concentrated chi energy. The Chi blasts however still get faster as the manga goes on because light can also have it's speed increased if concentrated properly and as there strength increases so does there control, at least thats the way I see it.

09-05-2006	#30 (permalink)
Buutenks (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 67 Rep Power: 3	Re: Speed Of Light? Well that didn't even happen in the anime,I re watched the whole Freeza fihgt and there is no scene where king kai couldn't sense Freeza and Goku moving.One time when Goku fired a kameha at Freeza his antennas exploded. But they still can fight at light speed,this is because of Mr. Popo's statement and even if you ignore this statement they still should logically be able to fight that fast. Master Roshi can move at least at sonic speeds and he can see things moving that fast,but he couldn't see Goku,even Tien could barely see him with his three eyes.Now Tao pai pai was moving so fast that Kid Goku could barley see him and so on untill we get to the end of the show.So I say that they could fight at light speed in the Freeza saga but they couldn't fly that fast. __________________ Legendary Super Saiya-Jin No one can stand up to Cell....