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Old 08-30-2007   #46 (permalink)
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It's because they ruined the Freeza and king cold story line so we didn't know much about King Cold.
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I suppose that the whole intention of this little arc was to demonstrate Trunks' power as prodigious and unimaginable and stupefying. There was no need for Cold to transform and drag the show further on. Trunks was supposed to pick them both apart with utter ease, and that's what he did, anyway.
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If Cold could transform like you said he could...wouldn't he have done so? If not, [which he didn't] there's nothing to suggest that he has a state more powerful then the one he used against Trunks. The arcs purpose was to show how powerful Trunks had become, but it's illogical and dumb for someone like King Cold to have fought SSj Trunks and not transform when [if] they have a stronger state. I can't agree with you on that. Plus, it was never stated that he did have a stronger state than the one that's shown, so we can't just assume he has one.
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If King Cold weren't such a Garlic Head, he would have transformed instead of asking for Trunk's stupid sword. King Cold must be able to transform as his sons can so. I may be completey stabbing in the dark here but why not, if King Cold transformed like Freiza into his 4th transformation of Freiza's or 5th like his son Cooler, Goku nor Trunks would be able to stand against the newly formed King Cold..., if you get any power level list no matter how wrong it is and work out the differece between King Colds power level and Freiza's 2nd form, then adfd the difference to Freiza's 3rd, 4th and 100%, then your see how powerful King Cold might be come, this isn't real throught just o let you now its my simple thoery...
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well he probly under estimated trunks he seemed just as cocky as frieza. if u rembered frieza it took him a really long time to use 100% of his full power agains goku and he had many chances too but he decided to do it when it was too late, when goku became a super sayin!!!. so i think king cold was proud of his power and didnt think he would loose, i mean for crying out loud he thought he could kill a super sayin with a sword
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Actually King Cold is weaker than Frieza or Cooler
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When we see King Cold he is in his 2nd transformed stage. He is very strong (despite Frieza saying he is the most powerful being in the universe) how is Frieza saying he is more powerful than his own Father lets not forget that Frieza's brother Cooler Has 5 forms we first see Cooler in his 4th form and eventually see him in his 5th form Frieza's 5th form is actually his 4th form repair with robotic parts so in someways it goes in power
King Cold - Cooler -Frieza
But in GT when we see Frieza his powerlevel is 600,000,000
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When we see King Cold he is in his 2nd transformed stage. He is very strong (despite Frieza saying he is the most powerful being in the universe) how is Frieza saying he is more powerful than his own Father lets not forget that Frieza's brother Cooler Has 5 forms we first see Cooler in his 4th form and eventually see him in his 5th form Frieza's 5th form is actually his 4th form repair with robotic parts so in someways it goes in power
King Cold - Cooler -Frieza
But in GT when we see Frieza his powerlevel is 600,000,000
There is no evidence to support that Korudo is capable or possesses any form of transformation, and the way he behaves when confronting Mirai Torunkusu actually lends credence to the notion that he cannot transform. Furiiza is in fact stronger than his father is, and Koora is a non-canon character, so there's no real reason to bring him up in a canon only section.

Furthermore, I really really wish you'd stop listing battle powers for time frames that don't have official stated ones, then try and claim they are official.
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There is no evidence to support that Korudo is capable or possesses any form of transformation, and the way he behaves when confronting Mirai Torunkusu actually lends credence to the notion that he cannot transform. Furiiza is in fact stronger than his father is, and Koora is a non-canon character, so there's no real reason to bring him up in a canon only section.

Furthermore, I really really wish you'd stop listing battle powers for time frames that don't have official stated ones, then try and claim they are official.
well it turns out that according to my sources is that All of Frieza's family has the power to transform and we see king colg in his 2nd form where is powerlevel was 20,000,000 and cyborg frieza's powerlevel was 18,500,000 and SS future Trunks' powerlevel was 25,000,000
and don't ask where/who my sources are causethey are confidential.
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Your sources are incorrect then, as the manga does not imply that Korudo is capable of transforming (it actually implies the opposite), and that the Daizenshuu (which after the manga is the most accurate source of information available) has the battle powers of Ssj Gokuu and 100% True Form Furiiza as being above 100,000,000. Given information supplied from the manga, there is sufficient evidence to support that they were indeed in that level range when they fought one another)
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We'll never know if Cold could ascend like Freeza, or even Cooler. Even the name of the race (Changlings) is fan-made. Very little is known about them and Cold and Freeza were only brought in to show how powerful Trunks was when he WTFPWNs them.
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i did not know Changlings is, fan mad thank's for the info
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Well the fact is King Cold can't sense like Freiza or Cooler. He didn't know how powerful a Super Saiyan Trunks was. So he transform didn't know how strong Trunks was so he didn't transform.

Look if he felt Trunks power a little bit he would have probably transformed like Freiza

Frieza 2nd form >> Transforms because he knows how power Vegeta is (or can be, Vegeta begs Freiza to transform), along with Krillen and Son Gohan.

Frieza 3nd form >> Freiza seems to be equally matched with a Namek: Piccolo. He can't stand for that he transforms.

Frieza Final form >> Gohan seem to have more power than never before, battering Freiza. Freiza gets scared also Vegeta is annoying him now more than ever. Freiza becomes scared of the Legendary Super Saiyan Vegeta claims to be and has become even stronger to beat them both.

Frieza 100% Final Form >> Super Saiyan Goku appears, smacks Freiza around in his Final Form, to have a footing against Goku has to transform.

To me this seems like a Perfect Theory: Chuffed another picture:

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It's an interesting idea (about Cold not reacting fast enough out of his fear) but you have to consider a few things. First, Cold and Mecha Freeza were at roughly the same battle strength; when Kuririn sensed Freeza going to Earth on his spaceship, he noted that Cold's chi was "just like Freeza's."

After ssj Trunks kills Freeza, he and Cold stand around talking for awhile. If Cold had the ability to transform, he would have; seeing his son (the strongest being in the universe, by his views at the time) be instantly killed means that he would know for sure that he was grossly outclassed.

Bleach Exile > Online Manga Reader > Dragon Ball > Chapter #320 > Page #5
^Cold and ssj Trunks are just standing around.

Bleach Exile > Online Manga Reader > Dragon Ball > Chapter #320 > Page #6
^Now Cold is offering Trunks a position as commander of the universe. Why would he be doing this if he could just transform to gain more power and defeat Trunks?

Bleach Exile > Online Manga Reader > Dragon Ball > Chapter #320 > Page #8
^Cold thinks that Trunks has no power without a sword; he's obviously wrong. Again, why would he be fooling himself into thinking that the sword was the source of Trunks' strength if he could simply transform to be able to fight him?

That picture at the very bottom looks really sick by the way. Where did you find it?
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To be honest... if Cold had been stronger than Freeza than it undermines the whole strength of Freeza. Characters like Cell and Buu we take for granted as being stronger than Freeza, because they are. But they had a build-up where Cold didn't. It would've been rather cheap to have this character just turn up, out of the blue, who is stronger than Freeza with no build up.

Personally, I think Cold appears in the 2nd stage because it's the one that Toriyama prefered drawing. I have no proof for this, but it seems the only explaination.
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