Zer0

Cola = Noncanon

It was stated those forms were supressions to conserve power.

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Broly

I also would like to contribute something. DBZ - Vol. 12, Pg. 65 = Gohan: "Th-There's another big chi, just like Freeza's...!!"

This points to the possibility that Cold is as powerful as Freeza's Final Form. Whether he was 1% or 50%, Cold is probably just as as strong as Freeza.

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artasscorp

This quote means that King Cold in his second form was around equal to Mecha Frieza using 1 % energie.

And how do we know Frieza was using 1 % at first? Well, Gohan said that it's the tip of the iceberg, and later Tien said that Frieza's power (1 %) is nothing compared to Mirai Trink's max base power.

Freezer

There are actually pretty strong indications that Freeza is more powerful then King Cold. For one thing, Freeza calls himself the "Strongest being in the universe" a few times RIGHT infront of King Cold. Cold makes no dispute to this claim. For another thing, Kind Cold was constantly deffering to his own son during that chapter. "The Super Saiyan will arrive in 3 hours.. will you wait Freeza?" ... will you wait Freeza? He's deffering to his son, it was obviously Freeza calling all the shots.

As for why King Cold looks like Freeza's 2nd form; it's possible he's just not as evolved as his son is. Freeza may very well have been a freak of nature, and that's why his true form differs from Cold's. I firmly believe that Cold could not transform. Those of you saying that Trunks didn't give him time to are wrong. Trunks simply stood around, waiting for Cold to make the first move. Rather then transform, Cold tries to take Trunks out with his own sword. Why? Because he knew he had no chance against Trunks, and based his only hope on the slim chance that all of Trunks's power was in that sword. This was clearly an act of desperation.

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Broly

Well, ultimately yes. Freeza at 100% or 50% is much stronger than Cold. BUT, there is a quote stating that Cold is close in power to Freeza 1%.

Whether Cold was in a supressioned state or not isn't clarified or stated.

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Freezer

I dont' know weather this board realizes this or not--but Freeza stating he was only at 1% of his power against Goku is simply a bad dub line found ONLY in Funimation's English Dub.. you will find that the Japanese version of that scene, as well as the manga have absolutly no mention of such. Freeza never states his power at 1% during any time, but if you want to prove me wrong: go ahead and post scans about it.

All that is said is that Freeza wasn't even half trying yet. We don't know what fraction of his power he was using before going 50%.. but we can be pretty darn sure it isn't 1%, considering that is a bad dub line. It's no different then Tenshinhan stating he could "see their paracuhtes". It's simply something that was added to the English dub and has absolutly no substance behind it.

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Broly

Whatever percent of power Freeza was at when fighting Trunks, Cold is right up there with him.

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Tyro

All we know is that Freeza's ki could be felt, same as King Cold's. What we don't know is how Freeza manipulates his ki now. Can he only reach as certain amount of power that can be felt whereas his mechanical parts can't be felt? That would mean Gohan only thought Freeza was holding back when really he'd naturally be at full power. Can he even power up anymore? Can his body give off as much ki? Cyborg Freeza's body is a mystery.

Broly

Sometimes I wish Toriyama could just answer these questions through some huge interview. But he probably wouldn't know have the stuff anyway.

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artasscorp

Frieza pointed his finger saying "one percent":

I belive it was 1 - 3 percent. If we don't believe in him saying 1 percent, than we even should not believe in those power levels of hundret millions and than we should believe in other theory based on fact that KAIO KEN increases ki by 25 %, not double...

Anyway..

Evil Vegeta

It definitely was a line Freeza used in the dub. The only time Freeza bring's up his power is when he says: I estimate if I use at least half my power it will be enough to turn you into Cosmic Dust. Don't quite remember what he says in the original anime.

I honestly believe Freeza was probably using 33% or less of his power when he was fighting Goku.

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Freezer

First of all... you do realize that MFG is generous enough to have given us an EDIT button on this forum. Why you posted that at least six times, I'll never know...if you think posting it more then once makes it more true then you're way off base.

Now, on to the actual reply.. No, Freeza never EVER says the words "one percent" at any time during his fight with Goku. If you don't agree this, then I wholeheartedly invite you to tell me the volume, chapter, and page number. If you are reffering to Freeza sticking his index finger up, this is a common "now see here" gesture. As for not believing their power was in the hundred millions.. why would we? This forum is the only place I consistently see people taking the Daizenshuu to be correct. But why does the Daizenshuu state that Raditz is 1500 (he was stated 1200+ in the manga). Why does the Daizenshuu state that Tenshinhan is an alien.

The point is that the Daizenshuu may have been published by Bird Studio, but asside from appearing in a few self contained interviews, Dragonball creator Akira Toriyama had absolutly no part in the books' production. We even had raw Japanese scans translated over at the DaizEx boards PROVING that Toriyama-sensei is NOT credited as an author for any of these books.

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artasscorp

In the anime i saw Frieza said one precent and pointed his fingger saying that:

(No, linking to illegal full episodes on MegaUpload or any other site does not fly on MFG and will certainly come under the ire of the fans who will indulge on bashing on it... for your information. --LegendarySSj7)

However it seems that there are different versions of anime or what?

And what the hell is that Daizenshuu encyclopedia? Is different both from manga and anime? I am relay confused now:

japan anime dub, english dub, manga, daizeshuu - ewtf...

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I DO believe that mecha freeza was stronger than cold, as Freeza's position as a supreme galactic overlord demonstrated some kind of superiority over cold. However, i object to your denial of cold's potential of transforming. I believe that Cold could transform like his son. Logically, the ablility to use a henshin should be an inherited trait, so cold should be able to transform. (also in dbz, inherited traits didnt come from defects or sudden genetic mutations. Just an interesting tidbit i realized for noting.)*

Also, it's unknown whether King Cold thought that he was more powerful than his son or not.*

What we have seen of freeza's race (lol, i'll admit it's only two people,though...) is that they are supremely arrogant: for example, when he reached 100% power, he told ssj goku that "you would be the most powerful being in the universe... if it werent for me!" or something along those lines. This quote from freeza shows that he still believed himself stronger than Goku, even though he was staring at someone who clearly outclassed him right in the face.*

If Freeza was arrogant, let's assume his father was, too. While his son was the one in charge, cold still sees himself as stronger, demonstrating freeza's characteristic of not recognizing or even aknowledging your betters. (Note: we dont exactly know the political customs of Freeza's position of power. It could be one of those customs to not object to the ones more politically powerful than* yourself, explaining Cold's defference to his son and him not objecting to the said claims as "most powerful in the universe.")

After seeing his son bested, cold must have thought that he would be getting a challenge from this mysterious boy. As he waits for the guy to make a move, a thought comes to mind:* a good coup de grace would be using the guy's own weapon against him (and cold saw that trunks thought he was better than everyone; the king's thought processes must have been something along the lines of "ill show this guy who's more powerful!")*

Therefore, i believe King Cold's bizzare choice of action against trunks stemmed from arrogence and a desire to show him his "superiority" to the saiyan, not from an desperate attempt to try and defeat him, and therefore is not too suitable an argument to support any beliefs that he couldn't transform.

I dont know if im right or wrong on this. Actually, it'd be a heckuva lot easier if someone scanned King cold's dialogue with trunks to see if im being correct in my arguments.

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