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Where does Dabra stand among the likes of Cell, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan?



My thoughts are best encompassed by a post on MFG v.3, by the member formerly known as Gozar.



"How
strong do you think Dabura is? I used to think he was as strong or
stronger than Super Perfect Cell, but after reading Vol.22 of DBZ I
think not.....Goku & Vegeta seem to take him waaaaaay too lightly
for him to be equal or superior to SP Cell. I mean stronger than Cell
Games Gohan or not, they're almost making a joke of Dabura.

Before
they enter Babidi's ship, Goku says "A few years ago he woulda been a
big problem, but now he's not".....then he said "7 years ago, there was
this guy named Cell, I guess they're about the same".......I think Goku
may have been reffering to the last form of Cell that he saw before he
died.

When Gohan & Dabura are fighting, Goku does say he is
"tougher" than he originall thought, but that was only right after he
commented on how Dabura was using magic, which leads me to believe, he
doesn't think Dabura was stronger than Cell, just simply had a good bag
of tricks with the magic.

Then there is the whole, what form was
Gohan fighting in thing.....now I mean considering just 1 Volume ealier
Gohan was stated to go SSJ2 & had a ton of lightning surrounding
him, I don't think Toriyama would neglect to put lightning if Gohan was
SSJ2 Vs.Dabura......which leads me to believe Gohan was only SSJ
against Dabura.

So if Gohan was only SSJ, there is no way he could keep up with someone as strong as Super Perfect Cell.

In conclusion, I feel that Dabura is just as strong or slightly better than Pre-Super Perfect Cell."

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I think he is about as powerful as Complete Cell at full power(when he began to fight SSJ2 Gohan), since Goku felt his ki before death, whereas he was in the underworld when post-zenkai Cell arrived. And in order to be felt cross-dimension, you would need to be about as powerful as Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku, something which never was.

Gozar

O_o What's up with that? Anyway, um, yeah my thoughtd are all in that post.

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ultimate sayia-jin 5

I do agree that Dabura was as strong as Pre- Explosion Cell however Son Goku sensed cell at maximum power and since Son Gohan had no chance aginest Cell as a regular SSJ it still makes no sense why Dabura did not completly demolish SSJ Son Gohan

SylentEcho

He would be as strong as the Cell who was fighting with Vegeta, (somewhere around the power level when he was mamed by Vegeta)

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You have to take into account the element that Gohan didn't train for seven years, and that he is a half-saiyan. Meaning that he could lose power and ability if he didn't physically maintain himself (he did well enough to remain insanely strong compared to a normal person.)

Dabura is roughly on par with Perfect Cell when Cell first achieved his final state. If not just a little below that.

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Gangsta SabZ

Think about the language used. Goku said "about as strong as..." (not exact quote, but something similar). Goku didn't calculate Dabura's full ki and then try so hard to remember Cell's ki and then compare them both using significant figures.

My guess is that Dabura was weaker than Perfect Cell, slightly, because Gohan SSJ was around equal to Dabura. We know Gohan got weaker over the 6 years, so his SSJ form must have got weaker too. Perfect Cell was stronger than Gohan at SSJ and Dabura was around equal to Gohan at SSJ (a weaker SSJ than the time Gohan used it against Cell).

The Prince

he's trying to get rid of you...anyways I agree with your old post. I remember originally argueing with you on the old forums....

Pudge

Well what throws me off a little bit is he is stronger than Gohan at the time. So under normal circumstanced he would be stronger than Cell. But Gohan lost power over 7 years. So my question is how much power did he lose? Since he can still do SSJ2 I would make him stronger than Perfect Cell. So that would make me think Dabura would be give or take Super Perfect Cell. But Vegeta acted like Dabura was nothing. Sure he got stronger but if Dabura was strong as SP Cell then Vegeta wouldn't have acted like that. So I would say Perfect Cell<Dabura<SP Cell. So somewere in between there is my guess.

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LegendarySSJ7

Gohan roughly lost about 17%-20% (basically around a 1.2x difference) of his power during/after the 7 year gap, which isn't a monstrosity of a difference when one really ponders it. Dabra would be, again, around Complete Cell's (powered up)'s strength, at the most.

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Pudge

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I have no clue how you found thatout but I have no reason not to belive you.

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The Chibi Kiriyama

Just to clear it up, I believe Mike Lepore was the original title Gozar signed up with. Duo was just referencing the fact that he didn't go by that name anymore.

As for the entire affair, most of this has been answered a few posts up. Both Dabra and SS Gohan were huffing when they fought, with Dabra having the upper hand by a bit. If he really had Cell's post-explosion increase in power Gohan (who had noticeably weakened over the years) would have died even if he went to Super Saiyan 2, and Dabra would have not been wheezing at the height of their battle.

ixidor

Well, however, there are a problem:

1) if gohan was just a ssj when he fought dabura and fat boo, then why he didn't became a ssj2?