The Ki level of Dabra - Page 3

ixidor · 08-20-2006

The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. And the worst is this: even if he was fighting at ssj against dabura, why he never powered up to ssj2 against boo if when this one powered up to attack dabura, gohan saw that he was stronger then him? And goku said to him to use his anger...

xTaken · 09-09-2006

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch10/
He didn't have the electricity of a SS2, so he wasn't.

And I don't know why he didn't do it, probably because he's an idiot/underestimated Dabura.

The Chibi Kiriyama · 09-09-2006

[quote user="xTaken"]http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch10/ He didn't have the electricity of a SS2, so he wasn't.

And I don't know why he didn't do it, probably because he's an idiot/underestimated Dabura.[/quote]
Like I've repeated in threads for the upteenth time, if the last time you attained power you nearly caused the Eath to explode and caused two others (one of which being your own father) to indirectly die you wouldn't be too keen to using said power again in a fight even under extreme circumstances.

Sephiroth · 09-09-2006

[quote user="ixidor"]The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. [/quote]
The whole hair cut argument cannot be used to say Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 because Gohan's hair was exactly the same between the forms. If you notice while Videl was getting beaten up Gohan gets angry and powers up into Super Saiyan, but while he was in Super Saiyan he has the same exact hair style as he has against Dabra and Fat Boo, meaning that his hair is no different between SSj and SSj2, leaving only the aura left to use to decide what form he is in, and Gohan clearly had the aura of a SSj.

Buutenks · 09-14-2006

[quote user="xTaken"]http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch10/
He didn't have the electricity of a SS2, so he wasn't.

And I don't know why he didn't do it, probably because he's an idiot/underestimated Dabura.

[/quote]

I think I know why he didn't went ssj2 against dabura.He didn't went because Kibit didn't restore Gohan's full power when he healed him,he even said that he's not fully powered up.So he didn't went ssj2 because he couldn't.

Now against fat Buu.well that was because he was scared or something like that.

Gozar · 09-14-2006

[quote user="ixidor"]The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. And the worst is this: even if he was fighting at ssj against dabura, why he never powered up to ssj2 against boo if when this one powered up to attack dabura, gohan saw that he was stronger then him? And goku said to him to use his anger...[/quote]
Sorry, but your hair theory is 100% incorrect
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h06/360614.gif
^SSJ Gohan
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h12/371205.gif
^SSJ2 Gohan
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h10/381007.gif
^Vs.Dabura
Ya see, his hair isn't spikey looking enough.

LegendaryBroli · 09-14-2006

I was just wondering this but
1) if Dabura was just a bit higher than cell how come it looked like gohan and him were fighting on a equal level.
2) how does Dabura's spit work? like how is it possible his spit turns peopple into stone

ixidor · 09-14-2006

Buutenks, kibit restored all his energy, just like dende does. But even if this was a good argument, and it is not in my opinion, gohan ate a senzu before he went fight dabura, babidi and fat boo, so, he was at full power when he meet fat boo. Still, he never fought at ssj2

Sephiroth · 09-14-2006

[quote user="Gozar"] [quote user="ixidor"]The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. And the worst is this: even if he was fighting at ssj against dabura, why he never powered up to ssj2 against boo if when this one powered up to attack dabura, gohan saw that he was stronger then him? And goku said to him to use his anger...[/quote]
Sorry, but your hair theory is 100% incorrect
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h06/360614.gif
^SSJ Gohan
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h12/371205.gif
^SSJ2 Gohan
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h10/381007.gif
^Vs.Dabura
Ya see, his hair isn't spikey looking enough.
[/quote]
Once the Tenkaichi Budokai starts Gohan's SSj hair and the SSj2 hair is exactly the same. If you notice Akira Toriyama stops drawing Gohan with multiple strains of hair once the Budokai starts. I don't have a scanner, but if you look at Dragonball Z Volume 21 page 140 and 141, you'll notice that a SSj Gohan has the same exact hair design as he did as a SSj2, and also against Dabra. You can also see SSj Gohan with this hair style on page 27 of Volume 24. (right after Goku transformes into a SSj3)

Gozar · 09-15-2006

I'm reffering to the general spikey-ness of all of his hair.

Buutenks · 09-15-2006

Goahn was not a ssj2 against Dabura,he was a ssj1.This is because in the manga if a ssj2 doesn't have any lightning then he's not a ssj2 but a ssj1.In the manga ssj2 had every time an aura all over him,but Gohan didn't which means that he was not a ssj.

Buutenks · 09-15-2006

[quote user="ixidor"]Buutenks, kibit restored all his energy, just like dende does. But even if this was a good argument, and it is not in my opinion, gohan ate a senzu before he went fight dabura, babidi and fat boo, so, he was at full power when he meet fat boo. Still, he never fought at ssj2[/quote]

Gohan ate a senzu bean after the fight wiht Dabura.

Here look at this: -Dranet Fanslation Image GIF URL removed-

See what he said?Gohan was not powered up completely.

(Please read said rules in regards to Dranet Manga Fanslation Scans/dialogue. --LegendarySSj7)

Gozar · 09-15-2006

Kibito still fully healed him.

Broly · 09-17-2006

First off I just want to say I didnt exactly know where to put this topic since it involves the Z story and Broly. But since it involved Broly I put it here. Mods, if this is not an acceptable place for the topic by all means move it.
Okay, First, when Goku states in the manga that Dabura and Cell are equal in power, is Goku comparing Full power Perfect Cell to Dabura? Or is it Powered up Cell? [the state Cell was in when he fought MSSj Goku] IF, he was talking about Full Power Perfect Cell, then would that mean that Broly is just as strong as Full Power Cell or a little weaker? Let me explain. In Movie 10, Gohan fights Broly in his final form as a Super Saiyan. Broly practically had gohan beat before the energy clash. This would mean that Broly's Final Form is more powerful than SSj1 Gohan [Buu Arc]. Also, Gohan fights Dabura as a SSj1 and from the Manga it seems as if Gohan and Dabura are almost equally matched. From these two observations we can see that Broly in his final form may very well be just as strong or stronger than Dabura. IF this is so, and Dabura is just as strong as Full Power Cell [Or it could have been Powered Up Cell, Goku never is clear about which state of Cell he is referring to.] then Broly is just as strong as them if not stronger from my speculations. Your Comments/Corrections if you please.

jplaya2023 · 09-25-2006

Dabrua is problably slightly stronger than fpssj goku and slightly weaker than non powered up cell.

08-20-2006	#31 (permalink)
ixidor (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Ki level of Dabra The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. And the worst is this: even if he was fighting at ssj against dabura, why he never powered up to ssj2 against boo if when this one powered up to attack dabura, gohan saw that he was stronger then him? And goku said to him to use his anger...

09-09-2006	#32 (permalink)
xTaken (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: US Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	Re: The Ki level of Dabra http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch10/ He didn't have the electricity of a SS2, so he wasn't. And I don't know why he didn't do it, probably because he's an idiot/underestimated Dabura.

09-09-2006	#33 (permalink)
The Chibi Kiriyama (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 1,299 Rep Power: 6	Re: The Ki level of Dabra [quote user="xTaken"]http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch10/ He didn't have the electricity of a SS2, so he wasn't. And I don't know why he didn't do it, probably because he's an idiot/underestimated Dabura.[/quote] Like I've repeated in threads for the upteenth time, if the last time you attained power you nearly caused the Eath to explode and caused two others (one of which being your own father) to indirectly die you wouldn't be too keen to using said power again in a fight even under extreme circumstances.

09-09-2006	#34 (permalink)
Sephiroth MFG's One Winged Angel (11) Hunter Nin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Inside the Tsukuyomi Posts: 185 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Ki level of Dabra [quote user="ixidor"]The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. [/quote] The whole hair cut argument cannot be used to say Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 because Gohan's hair was exactly the same between the forms. If you notice while Videl was getting beaten up Gohan gets angry and powers up into Super Saiyan, but while he was in Super Saiyan he has the same exact hair style as he has against Dabra and Fat Boo, meaning that his hair is no different between SSj and SSj2, leaving only the aura left to use to decide what form he is in, and Gohan clearly had the aura of a SSj. __________________ The eyes of a madman glow with pure hatred as he looks towards his goal: Of becoming a God.

09-14-2006	#35 (permalink)
Buutenks (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 67 Rep Power: 3	Re: The Ki level of Dabra [quote user="xTaken"]http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume38/Db38ch10/ He didn't have the electricity of a SS2, so he wasn't. And I don't know why he didn't do it, probably because he's an idiot/underestimated Dabura. [/quote] I think I know why he didn't went ssj2 against dabura.He didn't went because Kibit didn't restore Gohan's full power when he healed him,he even said that he's not fully powered up.So he didn't went ssj2 because he couldn't. Now against fat Buu.well that was because he was scared or something like that. __________________ Legendary Super Saiya-Jin No one can stand up to Cell....

09-14-2006	#36 (permalink)
Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Ki level of Dabra [quote user="ixidor"]The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. And the worst is this: even if he was fighting at ssj against dabura, why he never powered up to ssj2 against boo if when this one powered up to attack dabura, gohan saw that he was stronger then him? And goku said to him to use his anger...[/quote] Sorry, but your hair theory is 100% incorrect http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h06/360614.gif ^SSJ Gohan http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h12/371205.gif ^SSJ2 Gohan http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h10/381007.gif ^Vs.Dabura Ya see, his hair isn't spikey looking enough. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

09-14-2006	#37 (permalink)
LegendaryBroli (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 3,270 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 20	Re: The Ki level of Dabra I was just wondering this but 1) if Dabura was just a bit higher than cell how come it looked like gohan and him were fighting on a equal level. 2) how does Dabura's spit work? like how is it possible his spit turns peopple into stone __________________ row row fight da power!

09-14-2006	#38 (permalink)
ixidor (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Ki level of Dabra Buutenks, kibit restored all his energy, just like dende does. But even if this was a good argument, and it is not in my opinion, gohan ate a senzu before he went fight dabura, babidi and fat boo, so, he was at full power when he meet fat boo. Still, he never fought at ssj2

09-14-2006	#39 (permalink)
Sephiroth MFG's One Winged Angel (11) Hunter Nin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Inside the Tsukuyomi Posts: 185 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Ki level of Dabra [quote user="Gozar"] [quote user="ixidor"]The problem here is very clear: against dabura and fat boo, gohan had an hair cut from a ssj2. And the worst is this: even if he was fighting at ssj against dabura, why he never powered up to ssj2 against boo if when this one powered up to attack dabura, gohan saw that he was stronger then him? And goku said to him to use his anger...[/quote] Sorry, but your hair theory is 100% incorrect http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h06/360614.gif ^SSJ Gohan http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h12/371205.gif ^SSJ2 Gohan http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h10/381007.gif ^Vs.Dabura Ya see, his hair isn't spikey looking enough. [/quote] Once the Tenkaichi Budokai starts Gohan's SSj hair and the SSj2 hair is exactly the same. If you notice Akira Toriyama stops drawing Gohan with multiple strains of hair once the Budokai starts. I don't have a scanner, but if you look at Dragonball Z Volume 21 page 140 and 141, you'll notice that a SSj Gohan has the same exact hair design as he did as a SSj2, and also against Dabra. You can also see SSj Gohan with this hair style on page 27 of Volume 24. (right after Goku transformes into a SSj3) __________________ The eyes of a madman glow with pure hatred as he looks towards his goal: Of becoming a God.

09-15-2006	#40 (permalink)
Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Ki level of Dabra I'm reffering to the general spikey-ness of all of his hair. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

09-15-2006	#41 (permalink)
Buutenks (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 67 Rep Power: 3	Re: The Ki level of Dabra Goahn was not a ssj2 against Dabura,he was a ssj1.This is because in the manga if a ssj2 doesn't have any lightning then he's not a ssj2 but a ssj1.In the manga ssj2 had every time an aura all over him,but Gohan didn't which means that he was not a ssj. __________________ Legendary Super Saiya-Jin No one can stand up to Cell....

09-15-2006	#42 (permalink)
Buutenks (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 67 Rep Power: 3	Re: The Ki level of Dabra [quote user="ixidor"]Buutenks, kibit restored all his energy, just like dende does. But even if this was a good argument, and it is not in my opinion, gohan ate a senzu before he went fight dabura, babidi and fat boo, so, he was at full power when he meet fat boo. Still, he never fought at ssj2[/quote] Gohan ate a senzu bean after the fight wiht Dabura. Here look at this: -Dranet Fanslation Image GIF URL removed- See what he said?Gohan was not powered up completely. (Please read said rules in regards to Dranet Manga Fanslation Scans/dialogue. --LegendarySSj7) __________________ Legendary Super Saiya-Jin No one can stand up to Cell....

09-15-2006	#43 (permalink)
Gozar (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Posts: 742 Rep Power: 4	Re: The Ki level of Dabra Kibito still fully healed him. __________________ "You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

09-17-2006	#44 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	The Ki level of Dabra First off I just want to say I didnt exactly know where to put this topic since it involves the Z story and Broly. But since it involved Broly I put it here. Mods, if this is not an acceptable place for the topic by all means move it. Okay, First, when Goku states in the manga that Dabura and Cell are equal in power, is Goku comparing Full power Perfect Cell to Dabura? Or is it Powered up Cell? [the state Cell was in when he fought MSSj Goku] IF, he was talking about Full Power Perfect Cell, then would that mean that Broly is just as strong as Full Power Cell or a little weaker? Let me explain. In Movie 10, Gohan fights Broly in his final form as a Super Saiyan. Broly practically had gohan beat before the energy clash. This would mean that Broly's Final Form is more powerful than SSj1 Gohan [Buu Arc]. Also, Gohan fights Dabura as a SSj1 and from the Manga it seems as if Gohan and Dabura are almost equally matched. From these two observations we can see that Broly in his final form may very well be just as strong or stronger than Dabura. IF this is so, and Dabura is just as strong as Full Power Cell [Or it could have been Powered Up Cell, Goku never is clear about which state of Cell he is referring to.] then Broly is just as strong as them if not stronger from my speculations. Your Comments/Corrections if you please. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

09-25-2006	#45 (permalink)
jplaya2023 (3) Champion of Justice Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Re: The Ki level of Dabra Dabrua is problably slightly stronger than fpssj goku and slightly weaker than non powered up cell.