LegendarySSJ7

Perhaps it is because Kibitoshin could not fully mend his Ki after he was drained by Spopovitch and Yamu, (against Dabra) or perhaps it is because he was afraid of overconfiding and letting his power go to his head again. (against Boo) Not that it would have made any difference against Majin Fat Boo, but... you get the gist.

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ixidor

but kibit had fully heal him, he was just like dende, and even if he wasn't, gohan ate a senzu before he fought fat boo

and because he would get overconfiding? i don't understand, i mean, why he shouldn't use his ssj2 level against boo if he was such a fighter, because he could became overconfidant? So, goku and vegeta used it because they are not overconfidants? i don't like this explanation

LegendarySSJ7

What I meant to say was is that Kibitoshin commented himself that he couldn't restore Gohan's Ki back to its full power state, which could have very well affected his ability to transform into a Super Saiyan 2. Or, he just feared overconfiding, again.

Gohan hadn't trained in 7 years, and the last time he was a SSj 2, he quickly became overweeny and quite arrogant, (in a nutshell: overconfident) possibly even inclined to revert to the more savagery side of the nature of a Saiyan, half-Saiyan or pure-blooded. Goku and Vegeta, on the other hand, had around 7 years to achieve the state and master it to the point of being able to take rein in that particular respect.

It's quite possible that the reason why Gohan didn't transform is due to not wanting to become overconfident again, as it quite apparently gravely affected his premeditation, let alone judgement for the worse (and judgement that is clearly out of -pure conceit-), where Vegeta and Goku could make judicious decisions in that form. Due to the aforementioned reasons of having 7 years to train and possibly master the form.

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ixidor

1) what kibit said was: "he is not at fullpower yet". Kibt, when starts to heal gohan, has an aura around them, them he said this statement, then he continues to heal gohan for more 2 picture, so, after he says that "gohan is not at fullpower yet", he contines to heal him until he got his fullpower. So, basicly, he was saying that "after so much ki that i restored to him, he still needs more power"... You should pay more attention... And before gohan fights boo, he ate a senzu, which destroy any theories about gohan not being at fullpower

2) Look, don't continue to this way. What matter if gohan, at ssj2, is overconfidant? And usually he could become overconfidant if his opponent was weaker then him, as happened against cell, but you haven't seen goku or vegeta overconfidant against each other or about fat boo when they were at ssj2. And if gohan was overconfidant against kibit is because he had reasons for that, gohan was stronger the kibit even with his base level, now, image the difference between them when he was at ssj2...

And don't forget that goku said to gohan to fight with all his might. Ssj is not all of gohan's might, in fact, to someone that can achive a ssj2 level, his ssj level is very few of his power...

LegendarySSJ7

1.) Didn't I just say that Gohan was restored to full power after being provided with Goku's Senzu? He wasn't up until then, Kibitoshin said himself. As for paying attention, I would stop with such impudence at this instant. That's something I'm certainly not going to ask of you again.

2.) You inquired why Gohan didn't turn SSj 2 against Dabra. He would have been MUCH stronger than Dabra had he been a SSj 2. There's your answer. Not at full power and fear of overconfidence. I imagine it would be the same case with Boo as he initially thought he was stronger.

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ixidor

But with this, cames the question? Why gohan still was only a ssj when he fought boo if boo was much stronger then him and he was at fullpower?

Because if he was at ssj2 against boo, most likely he was also against dabura, and if you see, dabura even endure more time against boo then gohan...

Anda again, i insist, kibit said that "he is still not at fullpower", and he even comments that he even needs more energy, he was not saying that he couldn't put him at fullpower. And again, i say to you: kibit, after say this, continue to heal gohan, then trunks and goten talk eachother, and them, kibit said that gohan was heal. So, kibit totally healed gohan. Even gohan was surprise because he got his energy back.

LegendarySSJ7

He was not a SSj 2 against Dabra or Majin Boo. The former has already been explained earlier in this thread, for reference, and he wasn't a SSj 2 against Majin Boo because there were no perpetual sparks of lightning engulfing him and his Aura, which is certainly a distingue trait of SSj 2. It simply can't be exonerated of that.

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The Chibi Kiriyama

He thought so little of Boo's power that he said that if he went to full power as a Super Saiyan he could beat him. At the time, Boo's chi must have been exceptionally lower than Dabra's or SS Gohan's. That this is proven to be a wrong assumption on Bobbidi, Dabra and Gohan's part is because the amount of power Boo increased by was enormous enough for no one there to physically stop him. And that Vegeta was sure he would die after the increase puts the chronology like this:

Pre-power up: weaker than Super Saiyan Gohan at full power

Post-power up: stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta

Gohan. Was. Not. Super. Saiyan. Two. Otherwise he would have had bolts over his aura.

Tyro

I believe Dabra to be equal to Perfect Cell. Dabra was only slighty stronger than a weakened SSJ Gohan, which, in the Cell games, would have been trampled over and over again by Perfect Cell.

ixidor

And when someone siad that sparks=ssj2 and no sparks=ssj? Super vegetto had and had not sparks at the same time and he was or a ssj or a ssj2...

And gohan not only power up to ssj because he fought that boo was weaker, in fact, he remembered his father's words to give everything he got, and, even if he had only power up to ssj, why he decide to run from boo, and then to fight him, only is ssj, and after he sese the real ki from boo and after be hard punched???

The Chibi Kiriyama

Super Vegetto was only shown with a bolted aura as he transformed. This makes him as much a Super Saiyan 2 as Nappa. The point is that he never sustained it. To be at SS2, the bolts have to be sustained. Thus, the only conclusion is that he was at SS when he fought Boo.

Goku told him to give it everything he had and to remember his rage as a child. Gohan then said that he was mad, but that he couldn't be as he was before. To point blame for not having gone SS2 one first has to remember that the last time he fought as a SS2 the Earth was nearly destroyed in his overconfidence, his father died and Cell came back stronger than ever before. So while fighting Dabra only as a Super Saiyan and going to full power as a Super Saiyan sounds odd, one has to take to consideration that Gohan does not consider SS2 an option on a psychological level.

Rokurai

Lightning bolts around the ki aura IS NOT a constant trait of SSJ2. I didn't see lightning constantly around SSJ2 Teen Gohan when he was fighting Cell, because they're only there when you have your aura up. When you put down the barrier, the sparks disappear. There is a way to tell when someone is SSJ2 without fail, and it is looking at their hair.

The hair of an SSJ isn't as detailed and doesn't have as much depth as the hair of an SSJ2, and secondly, Adult Gohan's hair at SSJ2 has one thick bang falling below the hairline. SSJ Gohan's hair has one small bang, with a split end.
Don't say "Akira would have drawn the constant lightning.", because no one wants to draw 200 pages of lightning constantly surging around someone's body. I can totally understand why he didn't want to do it. It's too much work. SSJ2 Goku's body isn't always constantly surging, and neither is Vegeta's. And also, don't say "They revert to SSJ when they dispell their barrier!". Yes I've heard something that stupid before.

LegendarySSJ7

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Mechanical

[quote user="Gangsta SabZ"] Think about the language used. Goku said "about as strong as..." (not exact quote, but something similar). Goku didn't calculate Dabura's full ki and then try so hard to remember Cell's ki and then compare them both using significant figures.
My guess is that Dabura was weaker than Perfect Cell, slightly, because Gohan SSJ was around equal to Dabura. We know Gohan got weaker over the 6 years, so his SSJ form must have got weaker too. Perfect Cell was stronger than Gohan at SSJ and Dabura was around equal to Gohan at SSJ (a weaker SSJ than the time Gohan used it against Cell).
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The bolded part of Gangsta's post is exactly what I think. Gohan got weaker (as well as his SSJ form) but still he was match for Dabura. This same Gohan would not have any chance against Perfect Cell pre-zenkai, so Dabura is probably between Cell's 2nd Form and Perfect Cell.

V3g3t0

SSJ2 Gohan : http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h12/371205.gif
SSJ1 Gohan : http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h06/360614.gif
Gohan against Dabura : http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h10/381006.gif
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dra...h10/381008.gif
(I've posted this only for the images)
Compare SSJ & SSJ2 Gohan tot he one that was fighting Dabura , besides the lightning ,