Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) - Page 4

Remixxx · 08-17-2008

Brolly really has two power levels and it all depends what you belive is the right one......

Non canon wise(anime wise)

LSSJ Brolly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18>>SSJ Trunks and Goten Showed and stated in the anime

SSJ Brolly already beatt gem easilly
LSSSJ Brolly would beat them by only using his hair

Broly · 08-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly The LSSJ

Nah, SSJ Vegeta after the HBTC would be around Android 18's level and since he couldn't affect RSSJ Broly with all of his might, I think its reasonable that Broly here is marginally above Cell's first form.

What? Cyborg 18s level? As a Super Saiyan, post-RoSaT, Vegeta was strong enough to handle Semi-Complete Cells power, prior to Semi-Cells power-up. The RSSjin Broly in Movie 8 was obviously way above that level. Judging by the affect of Vegetas kick, I'd say that RSSjin Broly was in the very least twice his power, placing him around Piccolo's power. But given the possibility that Vegeta and Trunks were both 2nd Post-RoSaT, RSSjin Broly could easily be above Complete Cell suppresssed.

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Originally Posted by remixremix

Brolly really has two power levels and it all depends what you belive is the right one......

Non canon wise(anime wise)

LSSJ Brolly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18>>SSJ Trunks and Goten Showed and stated in the anime

SSJ Brolly already beatt gem easilly
LSSSJ Brolly would beat them by only using his hair

It wasn't at all shown that 18 is stronger than SSjin Trunks and SSjin Goten. What about Movie 11 as an indication?

Remixxx · 08-17-2008

Did you watch the part where they both attacked her in ssj form and couldnt land a punch without the costume

-Even krillin looked stronger then her in that movie

-Anime fillers have more merit becaue it s actually in the anime then something that happend in a movie where saiyans are the ones that get the whole spotlight

-brolly is a filler charcter this is a filler section so i have the right to use as a reference

Broly · 08-17-2008

Broly is not filler, he's non-canon. There is a difference. Filler info is usually more mindless than non-canon info. And the reason why I say that is because most of the filler can't even be explained because of how much contradictory there is, say with the manga. The non-canon can usually be backed up by statements from the manga, if there is no contradiction. I don't accept filler, especially when the manga goes against it. To me that part where they attack her in SSJin form never happened, because it can't be backed up by the manga. There are a few of those types of mistakes. For instance, Yamcha beating Olibu. The movies can be backed up by manga information, but not everything within certain movies can be.

Remixxx · 08-17-2008

If you dont accept fillers in a filler section then your in the wrong place...Brolly never happend..Brolly does not exist...filler does not exist ...So they go together and you have to accept it

Devilz · 08-17-2008

Movies aren't filler - they are non-canon and there's a difference between the two.

Anyway against Movie 8 Broly I think Goten and Trunks stand a chance if it's after their rosat training.

Remixxx · 08-17-2008

Same shit that never happend

Broly · 08-17-2008

I think you must first understand the difference between the two if we are to come to a true conclusion here.

Remixxx · 08-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

I think you must first understand the difference between the two if we are to come to a true conclusion here.

You just wont accept it because you wont to make Brolly as strong as possibel

Let me give you an exampel:

If you have a topic Yamcha vs LSSJ Brolly what are you gonna use as a reference ...Yeah the Anime....you definitlly wont use the manga because manga stuff doesnt belong here AND YOU have to understand that.

So if you have a movie character facing a canon character....Since you are in this section you are gonna use the power that the canon character was given in the anime(AGAIN YOU ARE IN THE GT,FILLER,MOVIE SECTION) NOT THE MANGA..And the anime should be the only reference...

Semi cell>=SSJ Brolly (Movie 10)

End of discussion

Evil Vegeta · 08-17-2008

Semi Cell isn't stronger then any SSJ Broly. USSJ Vegeta kicked Broly in his powered-up base form and had no effect.

Broly The LSSJ · 08-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

What? Cyborg 18s level? As a Super Saiyan, post-RoSaT, Vegeta was strong enough to handle Semi-Complete Cells power, prior to Semi-Cells power-up. The RSSjin Broly in Movie 8 was obviously way above that level. Judging by the affect of Vegetas kick, I'd say that RSSjin Broly was in the very least twice his power, placing him around Piccolo's power. But given the possibility that Vegeta and Trunks were both 2nd Post-RoSaT, RSSjin Broly could easily be above Complete Cell suppresssed.

Well, I just watched where Vegeta returns from the Time Chamber and as a SSJ, he never fights with Cell so there was no kick like there was with Broly. Even before Cell powered up in his 2nd form, I think he could've taken SSJ Vegeta (after HBTC) pretty easily judging by how calm he was and the fact that he was hardly a match for 18 before his training. Afterwards, I'd say hes right on her level or abit stronger. Its Vegeta's USSJ form that put him miles ahead of Cell (powered up) and SN Piccolo. But since its likely that Movie 8 takes place right before the Cell Games, my point is that Vegeta has been through the Time Chamber for a 2nd time so hes stronger in Movie 8 then when he comes to fight Cell for the first time.

So RSSJ Broly is actually alot stronger than where I placed him but I doubt Perfect Cell suppressed.

Broly · 08-17-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

You just wont accept it because you wont to make Brolly as strong as possibel

Let me give you an exampel:

If you have a topic Yamcha vs LSSJ Brolly what are you gonna use as a reference ...Yeah the Anime....you definitlly wont use the manga because manga stuff doesnt belong here AND YOU have to understand that.

So if you have a movie character facing a canon character....Since you are in this section you are gonna use the power that the canon character was given in the anime(AGAIN YOU ARE IN THE GT,FILLER,MOVIE SECTION) NOT THE MANGA..And the anime should be the only reference...

Semi cell>=SSJ Brolly (Movie 10)

End of discussion

But in this case, the material being spoken on is not as polluted as GT and the fillers. It's actually clean enough to where you can bring in the manga to figure things out. That's why we don't bring the manga into GT or AF. Why? It's because it doesn't fit, it doesn't make sense at all, if we were to look at it through those series' aspect. If you bring into the forum a versus topic between Freeza and Cooler...then what? We have to use the statements that have been said in Movie 5, and judge the outcome by that.

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Originally Posted by Broly The LSSJ

Well, I just watched where Vegeta returns from the Time Chamber and as a SSJ, he never fights with Cell so there was no kick like there was with Broly. Even before Cell powered up in his 2nd form, I think he could've taken SSJ Vegeta (after HBTC) pretty easily judging by how calm he was and the fact that he was hardly a match for 18 before his training. Afterwards, I'd say hes right on her level or abit stronger. Its Vegeta's USSJ form that put him miles ahead of Cell (powered up) and SN Piccolo. But since its likely that Movie 8 takes place right before the Cell Games, my point is that Vegeta has been through the Time Chamber for a 2nd time so hes stronger in Movie 8 then when he comes to fight Cell for the first time.

So RSSJ Broly is actually alot stronger than where I placed him but I doubt Perfect Cell Suppressed.

But SSjin Trunks [Post-RoSaT] got in that Cells way looking to stop it from getting to 18. How would he hope to accomplish that if the level of power he was using was far from sufficient. He would look like a moron.

Broly The LSSJ · 08-18-2008

Its just like when SSJ Vegeta came to get in Cell's way. Then once he made his move, Trunks powered up into an USSJ because he needed to.

Broly · 08-18-2008

Not necessarily if you consider what just happened. For all Trunks knew, getting in Cells way just means getting attacked at. I'm sure he was ready for that possibility prior to making his decision. I also think the reason why Trunks transformed into SSjin Type 2 is because Cell found 18, there was no time for mistakes or screw-ups. Trunks had personally already experienced a life of pain. The thought running through his mind at that time is, if I don't stop him, everything will be destroyed. And he knew Cell would be too powerful. That's why he endeavored to stop Cell once he saw 18.

Broly The LSSJ · 08-18-2008

Thats what I mean. Trunks needed to transform in order to do everything he could to stop Cell but also because he would've been too weak if he hadn't since he could've just been attacked at but either way, he'd still try to defend himself.

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Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,448 Rep Power: 70	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) Brolly really has two power levels and it all depends what you belive is the right one...... Non canon wise(anime wise) LSSJ Brolly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18>>SSJ Trunks and Goten Showed and stated in the anime SSJ Brolly already beatt gem easilly LSSSJ Brolly would beat them by only using his hair __________________ Last edited by Remixxx; 08-17-2008 at 10:17 AM.

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Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,448 Rep Power: 70	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) Did you watch the part where they both attacked her in ssj form and couldnt land a punch without the costume -Even krillin looked stronger then her in that movie -Anime fillers have more merit becaue it s actually in the anime then something that happend in a movie where saiyans are the ones that get the whole spotlight -brolly is a filler charcter this is a filler section so i have the right to use as a reference __________________

08-17-2008	#49 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) Broly is not filler, he's non-canon. There is a difference. Filler info is usually more mindless than non-canon info. And the reason why I say that is because most of the filler can't even be explained because of how much contradictory there is, say with the manga. The non-canon can usually be backed up by statements from the manga, if there is no contradiction. I don't accept filler, especially when the manga goes against it. To me that part where they attack her in SSJin form never happened, because it can't be backed up by the manga. There are a few of those types of mistakes. For instance, Yamcha beating Olibu. The movies can be backed up by manga information, but not everything within certain movies can be. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

08-17-2008	#50 (permalink)
Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,448 Rep Power: 70	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) If you dont accept fillers in a filler section then your in the wrong place...Brolly never happend..Brolly does not exist...filler does not exist ...So they go together and you have to accept it __________________

08-17-2008	#52 (permalink)
Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,448 Rep Power: 70	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) Same shit that never happend __________________

08-17-2008	#53 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) I think you must first understand the difference between the two if we are to come to a true conclusion here. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

08-18-2008	#58 (permalink)
Broly The LSSJ (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 465 Rep Power: 10	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) Its just like when SSJ Vegeta came to get in Cell's way. Then once he made his move, Trunks powered up into an USSJ because he needed to. __________________ "I Will Teach You The Meaning of Pain!" If you are a DBZ fan, please join this forum so we can bring it back: http://ultimatedbz.phpbbhosts.co.uk/index.php

08-18-2008	#59 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) Not necessarily if you consider what just happened. For all Trunks knew, getting in Cells way just means getting attacked at. I'm sure he was ready for that possibility prior to making his decision. I also think the reason why Trunks transformed into SSjin Type 2 is because Cell found 18, there was no time for mistakes or screw-ups. Trunks had personally already experienced a life of pain. The thought running through his mind at that time is, if I don't stop him, everything will be destroyed. And he knew Cell would be too powerful. That's why he endeavored to stop Cell once he saw 18. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

08-18-2008	#60 (permalink)
Broly The LSSJ (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 465 Rep Power: 10	Re: Goten & Kid Trunks vs. Broly (Pre-Buu Saga) Thats what I mean. Trunks needed to transform in order to do everything he could to stop Cell but also because he would've been too weak if he hadn't since he could've just been attacked at but either way, he'd still try to defend himself. __________________ "I Will Teach You The Meaning of Pain!" If you are a DBZ fan, please join this forum so we can bring it back: http://ultimatedbz.phpbbhosts.co.uk/index.php