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Re: Hatchyack vs Full Power Cell
Super Perfect Cell is way stronger then Broly will ever be.
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Re: Hatchyack vs Full Power Cell
Whut? I never, ever considered that failure of a Supa Saiya-Jin 2 to able to withstand the powerhouse that is Zenkai Kazentai Seru, hell I don't even considered Supa Saiya-Jin 2 Gohan at the Seru Budokai to be completely superior in any fashion.
Once again, I will present my opinions on this matter: Kazentai Seru ( Post-Zenkai ) >/=/< Son Gohan ( SSJ2, Seru Budokai ) > Son Gohan ( SSJ2, Injured [ Seru Budokai ] ) > Kazentai Seru ( Post-Zenkai, Distracted ) >> Son Gohan ( SSJ2, Majin Buu Arc ) >>/>>> Kazentai Seru ( Pre-Zenkai, Full Power ) >>> Burori ( DSSJ, Movie 10 ) > Hatchiyakku >/= Burori ( Denetsu no Supa Saiya-Jin, Movie 8 ). |
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Super Sayajin 2 kid Gohan is about equal to Super Perfect Cell. If there is a difference in power between the two, which I doubt, then it's minimal. It's stated several times that teen Gohan lost a considerable amount of power when he was slacking off. I'd say that there's a 1.3x difference between kid and adult Gohan, at least. If SPC is equal to kid Gohan, then the difference between SPC and Adult Gohan would be 1.3x. Now, you could say that the difference between Broly and Gohan was bigger, but that's wrong, to me. Why? Look at three instances where there was a 1.3x difference. Goku (Kayoken X3) VS Vegeta Assuming that stated power levels are correct, these should be the power levels for both combatants. Goku: 8,000 (Technically "Over 8000" but since Vegeta injured Goku somewhat, I'll just round it) Vegeta: 18,000 (Again, I'll just round this one) 18,000 X 1.3x = 23,400 (Ok, technically, it should be 24,000 but this powerlevel is only 600 off) The Outcome: For the brief amount of time that Goku is in KK X3, he totally destroys Vegeta, Vegeta could not land a single hit onto Goku, and one punch in the stomach caused Vegeta to stagger and limp in pain. Not only that, but Vegeta's pride is completely destroyed in the process and Vegeta already succumbs to desperation by using the Galic Cannon. Blow Count: Four. One to Vegeta's face, one kick, one knee to the back, and another to Vegeta's stomach. Vegeta VS Cui Vegeta: 24,000 Cui: About 18,000 That's another 1.3x difference, although, like last time, it's slightly off. The Outcome: Like Vegeta with Goku, Cui cannot do anything to Vegeta at all, and he is extremely shocked when he senses Vegeta. Not only that but Vegeta destroys in with a gesture. Blow Count: One. The aforementioned gesture that destroyed Cui. Monster Zarbon VS Vegeta This one is trickier, because Zarbon's monster form power level is never stated. However, we do know that he is in between 24,000 (the power level of the Vegeta that he pwned) and "over 30,000" (the power level of the Vegeta that pwned him). With that being said: Vegeta: 24,000 Monster Zarbon (Vegeta times 1.3): 32,400 That's more than enough for Zarbon's power level. The Outcome: Zarbon beats Vegeta to near death in a matter of seconds. Although on noteworthy thing is that Vegeta actually manages to hit Zarbon. Too bad it doesn't do any damage whatsoever. Blow Count: 3. One clap to the face, another when both of them punch each other to the face, and one throw onto the ground. It's not like these fights are long, either. I counted the pages, and I'll display the page count. Keep in mind that I'm only including the actual fight, not the bullshit where the contestants power up. Vegeta VS Goku (KK X3): 8 pages. Vegeta VS Cui: 6 pages Zarbon VS Vegeta: 8 pages. Not very long, considering that each volume is around 200 pages. As a final point, I'd like to say that each of these fight had a victor besides the Goku VS Vegeta one, which is only undetermined because Goku's Kayoken ran out. About the Broly fight: Let me ask some questions: Could Broly destroy Gohan with a gesture/ki blast? Did Broly beat Gohan to near death? Did the fight between Broly and Gohan end quickly? Did Broly win? All of these questions can be answered with a resounding "No". Sure, Broly managed to injure Gohan with that grab, but Gohan managed to escape from it. Hell, Gohan managed to knock Broly into lava, even though he passed out afterwards. Even if Broly and SPC are equal (which is wrong) than SPC would win, because he is one of the most intelligent villains in DBZ, while Broly is one least intelligent villains in DBZ. Not to mention that Cell has the more cheap tricks up his ass than any DBZ villain, while Broly only has a barrier.
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1. When Goku was using the Kaioken, he was using maximum power and ability. There was no instance where he was holding back unless his body was preventing him. So what I'm saying is, Vegeta still has the power to damage him, but the gap between them is at that point where Goku just won't give him a chance. 2. When Vegeta was facing Cui he did not recieve any hits from his opponent, however, if he was strong enough to take no damage from his opponents attacks, then why did he move out of the way of Cui's ki barrage? Cui is also a weak minded warrior, that's why he was intimidated by Vegeta and his sudden power-up. It wasn't that he was completely helpless. Plus Vegeta was obviously looking to quickly remove Cui from the scene. He wasn't gonna leave room for Cui to mess around. 3. Transformed Zarbon was in fact struck in the face and left bleeding from his mouth. As I earlier said, even if your opponent is 1.33x stronger, it doesn't mean the opponent can't be hurt. And about Broly. He indeed has the power to mop the floor with Base Gohan. As we know, the movies are non-canon and are subject to error in light of the original manga, so not everything can be taken as correct or valid. But what we do is fit a worthy description of what we think would be the nature of the case. And in this particular subject, it's easily conclusive that SSjin Broly [Movie 10] was holding back against Base Gohan. Notice how Gohan cringes in the face of SSjin Broly's oncoming wave? Notice how Gohan decides that his base state isn't enough to combat SSjin Broly and transforms? At best, Base Adult Gohan is around Incomplete Cell's full power, at best. SSjin Broly is really arguably double SSjin Trunks and SSjin Gotens power, who are plainly above Complete Cell suppressed [or is it just me?]. Gohan had his chance to prove his power against LSSjin Broly the first time around when Broly let him punch 'em to the face. It had no affect. To me, that's rich enough evidence to conclude that whatever set Gohan free from Broly's grip was caused by Brolys own self.
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