Ames

I was curious to see your opinions of this battle.

I do believe that Vegeta > Goku in the Android Arc, proving his base form must have been much stronger than I initially thought.

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Evil Vegeta

When you say Final Form, are you referring to that Shredder form? If so, then I believe base Vegeta would lose. If you're referring to the first Cooler we see, then Vegeta would mop him up.

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Ames

Edit: I just realized I created this outside of the VS. thread, I apologize ;)

@ Evil Vegeta, yes, his form to surpass Frieza.

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SRP76

Hell, no, base Vegeta couldn't beat "Super Cooler". He'd have to be multiple times stronger than the already-multiple times stronger than Goku Kaioken. No chance.

WombatKombat

Via Henshin/transformation, Kura went from being whomped by a base, albeit zenkai'd, Gokuu (IMO, he reached his Torankusu Arc self in PLs), to plowing through a Kaiou-Ken X20 Kamehameha without effort, humbling that KKX20 Gokuu into base with a single flick of his wrist and even briefly held off Supa Saiya-Jin Gokuu with his Death Ball. I think that warrants at least a 30X increase.

Bejita (Base, Jinzoningen Arc), could not, in any possible scenario whatsoever, go from being horribly outclassed by Furizaa's True Form (2-5%) to going toe-to-toe with a Final Form Kura in just three years, even under 500X gravity training. Not in my books anyway.

Metallic Rilldo

i say cooler becuase i do not think vegeta was strong enough to beat frieza in his base form yet let alone cooler!

cooler final form > base vegeta

ssj vegeta >> cooler final form

after 3 years i do not think that vegeta could surpass ssj goku(on namek)

Vegeta

Vegeta would get his ass kicked by Final Form Cooler, no doubt about it. He's much too weak in his base to combat someone in the hundreds of millions.

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Metallic Rilldo

exactly but in the babidi saga vegeta base could kill frieza without being touched witch leads me to pui pui=frieza

Ames

Cooler in the hundred millions?

A#19 has to be around 100,000,000 and SSJ Vegeta utterly destroyed him. Think about his base, anything higher would give Vegeta too much credit. This proves ironically similar to SSJ Goku destroying Final Form Cooler. Yes, his 5th Form surpassed Frieza's 4th form, but is nowhere near Frieza's 100% Full Power, with which kept up with SSJ Goku, who in turn is weaker than SSJ Vegeta (regardless of his health, for this sake).

I do believe Final Form Cooler would beat Base Vegeta, but not with ease.

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Zer0

Lol, what?
Stated to have surpassed. Although I guess you could argue Goku never saw 100% in that timeline. :/

Also an angry, more than likely not sick at all, Goku punched Twenty in the face off guard. He didn't even bleed. Its not like there's that big a gap between Twenty and Nineteen...

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Ames

*Fixed*I don't believe Cooler is in the same league with Android 19 and 20. *ie. 100,000,000's* It makes sense to me, what do you think Vegeta's base is then?

I'm not sure where you're going with that? I do concur that there is a relatively small gap between A#19 and A#20 though.

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SRP76

No, he doesn't.

And Super Saiyan Vegeta and base Vegeta are two entirely different things.

Ames

Where would you place him then?

Yes, but I'm referring to the 50x multiplier, to prove his base strength.

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SRP76

If Super Saiyan were 50x base, then Vegeta would really have no chance in this fight. Far beyond that; he'd have no hope of even surviving seeing Cooler, much less fighting him.

Ames

You never answered my question of A#19's PL?

So you don't believe in a 50x multiplier, then?

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