Evil Vegeta

I think the main reason why SSJ Goku outclassed "Shredder Cooler", is because his power was boosted from being healed. He was far superior to when he battled Freeza, which is why it makes Cooler seem weaker then 100% Freeza.

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SRP76

I haven't tried to calculate 19's power levels to an exact number. He may be in the 120,000,000 range after all his absorptions; then again, he may not be. There is no concrete number for him.

And no, I don't believe in any 50x multiple. Especially in the movies. Every single shred of non-canon film contradicts a 50x multiplier existing in that universe.

Ames

I guess that is where we agree to disagree.

While messing around, I generally came to a consensus that Base Vegeta was anywhere around 8,000,000 to 10,000,000. Using the notion of the "Traditional Multiplier", he ended up anywhere from 400,000,000 to 500,000,000, strong enough to rid of #19, which I said to be around generally around the 100,000,000 mark.

Vegeta's superiority over A#19, with which Goku struggled over (Virus Effected) made me believe SSJ Goku's power dropped dramatically. This relative strength Goku, I believed to be similar to the Goku that fought Cooler. *Reason being, I don't believe he was fully healed.*

I may have over-analyzed furthermore, but for the sake of where I'm coming from.

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SRP76

Not possible. If 19's in the hundred millions, then 20 would be several tens of millions. A base Vegeta of only 8 million would not have scared 20 away. 20 thought that base Vegeta would be able to beat him, and he actually knows the Super Saiyan multiplier (as both he and 19 noted Goku's increase between base and Super Saiyan).

Ames

Wasn't 20 terrified b/c of what SSJ Vegeta displayed and then ran away.

Therefore, fighting him would be useless in any form.

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SRP76

It's possible that 20 may have thought that Vegeta could go Super Saiyan again. But then he'd have to wonder, if Vegeta were planning to fight him, why would Vegeta go back to base just to transform again? Gero is sharp; he'd have to realize that Vegeta wouldn't do that. Plus, Gero knows that Vegeta needs energy to transform, and he also knows that 19 sucked most of that out of him. So, Gero almost had to know that he'd be facing base Vegeta. And Super Saiyan Vegeta was fierce, but Gero would (if the multiplier were 50x) be facing only 2% of that. And that wouldn't be enough to scare him away.

In fact, when Goku went Super Saiyan, the increase "exceeded our calculations", but "it will make no difference". Both Androids saw what the multiplier was, and neither was terribly impressed; they felt they would be able to deal with it. That points to the increase not being very large. If Goku had suddenly become 50-fold stronger, the Androids would have freaked. They wouldn't have reacted in such a ho-hum way.

Ames

I understand your statement and can see where you are coming from. Although, it just seems like common sense that Gero was terrified at SSJ Vegeta's sheer power and fled because he was singled down to himself against the rest of the Zet-Senshi. *Who wouldn't when you find out that most of your calculations are off, also*

I also respect your opinion but again, we see to disagree. The Androids were speechless because of the SSJ transformation miscalculation on Gero's part. I still stick to the multiplier because of what the Androids said and then what ensued. The events that followed were "unthinkable" and even Gero admitted he underestimated the Zet-Senshi as a whole.

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