Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16

Cyrax · 06-27-2008

I revive the chapter last night. Goku need the (false Super Saiyan) to take Ginyu force in the Hell.
And I think the (false Super Saiyan) is enought to take A-17, A-18 and A-16. So, In my opinion if Ginyu force found the androids would be an interesting fight.

maxoutedssj4 · 06-27-2008

The Androids win with the utmost ease. The Ginyu Force, although they have much superior techinques than the Androids, but, it isn't going to benefit when your opponents are much stronger than you.

I say the enchanced Ginyu Force are around the power of Third Form Frieza. But if was GT Ginyu Force, then, the Androids get thrashed.

USSJed · 06-27-2008

This should go in GT forum shouldn't it?

And yeah, no way Captain Ginyu goes from 120,000 to at least 200 million...

Cyrax · 06-27-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

This should go in GT forum shouldn't it?

And yeah, no way Captain Ginyu goes from 120,000 to at least 200 million...

No, Ginyu force show their power against False Super Saiyan Goku and Pikkon when Goku die in Cell explosion.

In my opinion Ginyu force became stronger than the androids because Base Goku is in his thousand millons of power. Thats is enought to take the three Androids (16,17and18). But in the Hell Goku need the false SSJ form. So, Ginyu force is over Goku base form.

Stronger >>> Weakers.

False Super Saiyan Goku >>> Ginyu force > Base Goku >= A-16 > A-17 and A-18.

USSJed · 06-27-2008

Ok, if this is going of the Anime, then A) It should be in GT section, and B) Disregard what I said about Ginyu force, cuz I havent the slightest clue as to what happens in the filler...

gfwspacezilla · 06-27-2008

thousands of millions= billions.
ginyu force wouldnt benefit that much and plus that was filler. They would probably be in the hundreds of thousands.

Ames · 06-27-2008

Saying how anything mentioned about the Ginyu Force is filler compared to the manga, they wouldn't be above Freiza's suppressed/normal state.

However, I can see why there would be different opinions via the anime.

gkrt · 06-27-2008

The ginyu force could win with Guldo and Ginyu's abilities.

remixremix · 06-27-2008

The androids with closed eyes would win....the ginyu force wasnt showed training and they didnt even mentioned that they trained so there is no chance for them they probbaly have the UTMOST EASE and just one kick.

And Btw its not proven at all that Base Goku is that high

The Green Dragon · 06-27-2008

There is no such thing as False Super Saiyan. The black haired Super Saiyan in Episode 195 is Goku's official Super Saiyan 1.

They recoloured it for the actual episode as a last minute attempt to make it seem like Goku was supressing his power from Pikkon.

In the preview for Episode 195 in episode 194, Goku is seen in the exact same scene... but with blonde hair.

YouTube - The Mystery Of The Black Haired Super Saiya-jin Solved!

(I haven't put this in the youtube tag for a reason, the information you need to read is in the description)

SSJBulma · 06-27-2008

Androids will beat Ginyu. Heck you don't need all three together to beat him.
Where does it say that they even train when they're in hell?

remixremix · 06-27-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Green Dragon

There is no such thing as False Super Saiyan. The black haired Super Saiyan in Episode 195 is Goku's official Super Saiyan 1.

They recoloured it for the actual episode as a last minute attempt to make it seem like Goku was supressing his power from Pikkon.

In the preview for Episode 195 in episode 194, Goku is seen in the exact same scene... but with blonde hair.

YouTube - The Mystery Of The Black Haired Super Saiya-jin Solved!

(I haven't put this in the youtube tag for a reason, the information you need to read is in the description)

Well it exist its was showed in the episode no matter what was showed in the preview

The Green Dragon · 06-27-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

Well it exist its was showed in the episode no matter what was showed in the preview

No, it doesn't work like that.

It's not a False SSj, it's a deliberate artist mistake.

Anyway the scene is filler. The False Super Saiyan state isn't canon, it doesn't exist and has no reason to.

Meaning there is no inbetween stage, it's one or the other.

Goku has been said and shown to be a blonde Super Saiyan in Episode 195, a canon form.

gkrt · 06-27-2008

It's just some gay version of a powered up Goku that has gone SSJ yet.

The Green Dragon · 06-27-2008

No, it actually 'IS' a Super Saiyan 1.

The previews show it for what it originally was. Toei, being a movement that likes to fuck up Dragonball on many levels, recoloured the hair after the preview deliberately. This was a plot device to make Goku seem like he was holding back his power.

Goku has forms inbetween Super Saiyan, but those are the Kaiokens.

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Cyrax (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Argentina Posts: 1,175 Rep Power: 9	Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 I revive the chapter last night. Goku need the (false Super Saiyan) to take Ginyu force in the Hell. And I think the (false Super Saiyan) is enought to take A-17, A-18 and A-16. So, In my opinion if Ginyu force found the androids would be an interesting fight. __________________

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maxoutedssj4 (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 850 Rep Power: 29	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 The Androids win with the utmost ease. The Ginyu Force, although they have much superior techinques than the Androids, but, it isn't going to benefit when your opponents are much stronger than you. I say the enchanced Ginyu Force are around the power of Third Form Frieza. But if was GT Ginyu Force, then, the Androids get thrashed.

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,612 Rep Power: 106	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 This should go in GT forum shouldn't it? And yeah, no way Captain Ginyu goes from 120,000 to at least 200 million... __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,612 Rep Power: 106	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 Ok, if this is going of the Anime, then A) It should be in GT section, and B) Disregard what I said about Ginyu force, cuz I havent the slightest clue as to what happens in the filler... __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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gfwspacezilla (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Posts: 780 Rep Power: 38	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 thousands of millions= billions. ginyu force wouldnt benefit that much and plus that was filler. They would probably be in the hundreds of thousands. __________________ Registration takes 50 Doctors- The Blubbo's Whale.

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Ames (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Madrid, Espana Posts: 1,231 Rep Power: 61	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 Saying how anything mentioned about the Ginyu Force is filler compared to the manga, they wouldn't be above Freiza's suppressed/normal state. However, I can see why there would be different opinions via the anime. __________________ Ignorance is Bliss...

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gkrt (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Under your bed. Posts: 2,083 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 49	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 The ginyu force could win with Guldo and Ginyu's abilities. __________________ http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/cre...rn-menace.html

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remixremix (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,244 Rep Power: 52	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 The androids with closed eyes would win....the ginyu force wasnt showed training and they didnt even mentioned that they trained so there is no chance for them they probbaly have the UTMOST EASE and just one kick. And Btw its not proven at all that Base Goku is that high __________________

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The Green Dragon (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lloegr Posts: 3,203 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 127	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 There is no such thing as False Super Saiyan. The black haired Super Saiyan in Episode 195 is Goku's official Super Saiyan 1. They recoloured it for the actual episode as a last minute attempt to make it seem like Goku was supressing his power from Pikkon. In the preview for Episode 195 in episode 194, Goku is seen in the exact same scene... but with blonde hair. YouTube - The Mystery Of The Black Haired Super Saiya-jin Solved! (I haven't put this in the youtube tag for a reason, the information you need to read is in the description) __________________ "TGD" "*One time this ciggy lolligagger dicked on my snatch.* Un amsera hon ffagod butain dicked acha 'm snatch." [MFG Reputation Guide for Beginners]\|[-ORLY?-]\|[-YA RLY!-]\|[Lolage]\|[.stan]

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gkrt (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Under your bed. Posts: 2,083 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 49	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 It's just some gay version of a powered up Goku that has gone SSJ yet. __________________ http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/cre...rn-menace.html

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The Green Dragon (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lloegr Posts: 3,203 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 127	Re: Ginyu force (After Hell training) vs 17,18,16 No, it actually 'IS' a Super Saiyan 1. The previews show it for what it originally was. Toei, being a movement that likes to fuck up Dragonball on many levels, recoloured the hair after the preview deliberately. This was a plot device to make Goku seem like he was holding back his power. Goku has forms inbetween Super Saiyan, but those are the Kaiokens. __________________ "TGD" "*One time this ciggy lolligagger dicked on my snatch.* Un amsera hon ffagod butain dicked acha 'm snatch." [MFG Reputation Guide for Beginners]\|[-ORLY?-]\|[-YA RLY!-]\|[Lolage]\|[.stan]