Broly vs bojack - Page 8

Evil Vegeta · 06-27-2008

When Future Gohan was a SSJ, how many of the Z-Warriors were alive? Goku certainly wasn't, and the majority of everyone else was gone, too. There's no other way to apply, or judge their power without using some canon facts.

If Bojack was released because of Cell's explosion, then it does follow it to an extent, just not 100%, that's all.

Bogard · 06-27-2008

They somewhat follow certain circumstances of the canon storyline.

Kid_Goku · 06-27-2008

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Failing again I see. You've been doing so for how long now lol.

Me and Evil Vegeta have you beaten. Just face it and polish my shoes.

Your comebacks have gotten worse.

You and Evil Vegeta? Well I'm debating with Evil Vegeta, but you? lol you're still a joke.

And how can I polish your shoes? This is the internet, Broly. Seems like your mental state has worsened as well.

Broly The LSSJ · 06-28-2008

Nah, thats really all you'd be good at besides looking like a noob everytime you speak so it fits pretty well.

Looks like nothing has changed since the last time you got owned and tossed aside like a "joke" lol

Oh, and learn how to quote my last sentence right.

Kid_Goku · 06-28-2008

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Nah, thats really all you'd be good at besides looking like a noob everytime you speak so it fits pretty well.

As usual, you make no sense.

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Looks like nothing has changed since the last time you got owned and tossed aside like a "joke" lol

I know you lie a lot, but this takes the cake lol. It's funny how your attitude has changed now and you feel as if you've owned me before. All you ever do is give weak replies, swear, get banned and then complain.

lol, as I said, joke. Stick to debating with people such as Vegetaboi lol.

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Oh, and learn how to quote my last sentence right.

I have done. Learn how to read lol.

Anyway, back to the debate...

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In the original on that exact part.

Yup. I've seen it, and I return to my original point: I don't see in any way how he was boasting. Nothing even idicates that; not his tone, not his expression etc. You're just interpreting it differently.

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I asked why Piccolo's weights don't have any effect on his power anymore.

I never said they didn't. But equally, I see no evidence that they still are of benefit to him.

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Yeah, but Vegeta, at least, was a USSJ in the battle with Broly, while Trunks is a guess. If Piccolo is post-rosat, and the two Saiyans are as well, then everyone is post-rosat. The fact that Piccolo (unless you believe Broly is around Semi Cell) could at least participate in the battle, get trashed for a bit, have enough time to yell at Vegeta for being a wuss, and still continue the battle, has to count for him, anyway. Piccolo before the rosat couldn't do that.

How is this any different to Vegeta's case with Janemba then? The power difference between Janemba should be far greater than the power difference between Piccolo and Broli, yet he's able to have a tussle (albeit short) with Janemba, and still has the ability to talk etc; all whilst not showing any very serious damage. Vegeta shouldn't be able to do so but he does.

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Vegeta told Goku that he would be the one to finish Cell, and this is after he senses 50% MSSJ Goku, so it's likely he surpassed that, or there would be no reason for him to be confident after his second trip there. Even if you think they stopped using USSJ, their SSJ forms were on-par with a Cell Jr to an extent, and Piccolo didn't get dropped with ease against them as well. The point is, Piccolo is nowhere near any post-rosat SSJ/USSJ until he goes in the rosat, which is after Goku & Gohan exit it.

And my point is that he should be nowhere USSj Vegeta, if we're talking about RoSaT trips.

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You also said Goku was likely considering the odds in the situation, so Piccolo would've had to be sort of powerful to alter his outlook on the battle, or Goku would've just been stupid to think all four of them could take Broly.

I said a desperate man takes desperate measures. In Goku's case, he probably felt that he couldn't do it alone and needed more help. That doesn't necessarily say much about Piccolo's power.

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Vegeta never does worse then someone many times weaker, either.

Apart from Movie 8, how many times has he had someone several times weaker fighting alongside him??

Vegeta, in all the movies I've seen him in, usually either does the worst or is one of the worst. This never changes. So that point you made earlier about Vegeta really means nothing. In terms of movies, he's nothing normally.

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Goku was the main priority, but he wouldn't turn around and act like no one else is there, neither. He didn't like any of them.

Again, that's not my point. That was in response to you saying that Goku was Broli's only priority. His priority was destruction. It wasn't limited to just one person - It just so happens that his main target was Goku.

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Gohan could've still been stronger even with that. The difference between MSSJ Goku & MSSJ Gohan isn't nearly as much, since Cell said that "Goku probably wasn't exaggerating", which does equal to Gohan being stronger, but not a super extreme amount.

That's an assumption. Gohan wasn't taking any serious damage from Cell, even though he wasn't trying to fight back. I don't think it's a large one either, but a noticeable one.

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You also forget that Gohan isn't all that skilled in battle; even when (yes, I know it's the Cell Games) Gohan was in the battle, Cell kept telling Goku to stop wasting his time and eat a senzu so he can continue. Cell wanted to fight the most powerful warriors, yet he didn't want to continue with Gohan. Gohan was holding back, I know; it just makes the dfference not seem that significant, but that's my opinion. So if Gohan is somewhat better then Goku, it isn't very noticeable, and if he's not all that skilled to begin with, his power doesn't matter. If Goku is 8, and Gohan is 10, then Broly suddenly jumps to 18, Goku's confidence in Gohan is over.

That's all a big "if".

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Just think about it: If Cell wasn't suppressed, and he powered-up straight to full-power when Gohan went to full-power, you think Goku would just let Gohan continue the battle? The same Goku had a second thought about SSJ2 Gohan havin an easy battle against Cell once he goes to his maximum. He says: "So this is Cell at full-power, huh?" Of course he was wrong, but a much weaker MSSJ Gohan would be all but oblivion, and we know Goku wouldn't hang Gohan out to dry.

He didn't have second thoughts about pulling Gohan out of the battle. He thought it would've been harder for Gohan, yes; but that's about it. It's not as if he felt he could do any better, or that Gohan was going to need help. That's the difference between these two situations.

I kind of see what you're saying about Goku not leaving Gohan out to dry if Cell had powered up to his maximum straight away though...but then it never happened, and we don't know if Gohan is more powerful than Goku, so it's like comparing a what-if situation to another what-if situation.

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Exactly! Just like he overestimated Gohan's power when Cell was squeezing the crap out of him. He looked like he was ready to join Piccolo in the attack against Cell to stop this. Broly didn't power-up from the point where they all go SSJ, to the point where he destroys the planet, right? Goku just had more foresight on thr potential power of Broly, and knew it was no joke.

How exactly did he overestimate Gohan's power? He wasn't expecting Gohan to defeat Cell as he was. He was expecting Gohan's rage to explode and that to be the key in the battle. Also with Gohan not fighting seriously, it's easy to think that Gohan's power was overestimated, but it doesn't mean that it actually is.

Deep Thought · 06-28-2008

I still stand under the belief that a movie villain, at their prime, is equal to or stronger than a previous movie villain at their prime. So, it goes like this:

Bio Broly (Before the goo fell on him)≥ Broly (Movie 10)> Bojack > Broly (Movie 8).

So it depends on what Broly we're talking about here.

~~Mark_Acosta~~ · 06-28-2008

broly has big sexy muscles

What exactly is the crux of your post?

--LegendarySSJ7

Broly The LSSJ · 06-28-2008

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Originally Posted by Kid_Goku

As usual, you make no sense.

You've never owned me. All you ever do is give weak replies, swear, get banned and then complain.

lol, as I said, joke. Stick to debating with people such as Vegetaboi lol.

As usual, your brain is malfunctioning lol.

Psh, says the kid who thinks he knows it all and gives a lame comeback whenever hes losing an argument. Like right now.

Vegetaboi told you off and it was pretty funny. Stick to debating with morons like Saturnine. It'll only make you a dumber nerd than you already are lol

Kid_Goku · 06-28-2008

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As usual, your brain is malfunctioning lol.

Was that meant to be funny?

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Psh, says the kid who thinks he knows it all and gives a lame comeback whenever hes losing an argument. Like right now.

Copying me again I see...lol

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Vegetaboi told you off and it was pretty funny.

Vegetaboi runs away from every debate we have. That's funny. As for telling me off...if you think his immature jokes (that only the trolls find funny, ironically) are funny...

I also love how you think he's funny now, but you two are always at war with each other, calling each other dumb everytime you "debate".

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Stick to debating with morons like Saturnine. It'll only make you a dumber nerd than you already are lol

I sure will. He knows more than you. For starters he doesn't have oxymorons in his posts. lol

Anyway, I'm done with you. Like I said, go play with Vegetaboi.

Deep Thought · 06-28-2008

Glad to see that the DBZ section is so totally not going to the dogs.

Broly The LSSJ · 06-28-2008

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Originally Posted by Kid_Goku

Was that meant to be funny?

Copying me again I see...lol

Vegetaboi runs away from every debate we have. That's funny. As for telling me off...if you think his immature jokes (that only the trolls find funny, ironically) are funny...

I also love how you think he's funny now, but you two are always at war with each other, calling each other dumb everytime you "debate".

I sure will. He knows more than you. For starters he doesn't have oxymorons in his posts. lol

Anyway, I'm done with you. Like I said, go play with Vegetaboi.

Sorry, was that too hard for you to figure out?

Lol, I'm sure. He gives you the facts and you refuse to accept them. I don't blame him for stopping the debate since you never know when you're wrong and like to be a waste of time and space.

I also love how you think you're funny but you're always the butt of every joke and somehow manage to diss yourself in the process.

Not really. He sure knows how to pull things out of thin air and kiss your ass at every turn. Too bad my post got deleted when I called him on that right after lol.

Dude, go play with yourself and "beat it."

No one cares about your boring and shamed excuses for constructive posts. Buh bye

Kid_Goku · 06-28-2008

k, now that the troll is out of the way, does anyone have anything else constructive to add concerning this topic??

(You may want to tone down that kind of hostility; that never gives balm to anyone. --LegendarySSJ7)

~~jellybean~~ · 06-29-2008

Broly was overwhelming agains SSJ2 adult gohan. Bojack didn't stand a chance against SSJ2 kid Gohan. SSJ2 adult gohan > SSJ2 kid gohan

hence, Broly >>>>>>>>>>> SSJ2 Adult Gohan > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > Bojack

TobiGoodBoy · 06-29-2008

It'd be quite close. Bojack and Broly were both stronger than FPSSJ. Maybe they're equal?

SSJ4 Vegito · 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by jellybean

Broly was overwhelming agains SSJ2 adult gohan. Bojack didn't stand a chance against SSJ2 kid Gohan. SSJ2 adult gohan > SSJ2 kid gohan

hence, Broly >>>>>>>>>>> SSJ2 Adult Gohan > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > Bojack

Kid Gohan is Actually a pretty decent margin ahead of Adult Gohan (He got weaker in seven years or peace).

06-27-2008	#107 (permalink)
Bogard (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 892 Rep Power: 42	Re: Broly vs bojack They somewhat follow certain circumstances of the canon storyline.

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Broly The LSSJ (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 465 Rep Power: 10	Re: Broly vs bojack Nah, thats really all you'd be good at besides looking like a noob everytime you speak so it fits pretty well. Looks like nothing has changed since the last time you got owned and tossed aside like a "joke" lol Oh, and learn how to quote my last sentence right. __________________ "I Will Teach You The Meaning of Pain!" If you are a DBZ fan, please join this forum so we can bring it back: http://ultimatedbz.phpbbhosts.co.uk/index.php

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~~Mark_Acosta~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Re: Broly vs bojack broly has big sexy muscles What exactly is the crux of your post? --LegendarySSJ7 Last edited by LegendarySSJ7; 06-29-2008 at 11:08 AM.

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Kid_Goku (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 227 Rep Power: 0	Re: Broly vs bojack k, now that the troll is out of the way, does anyone have anything else constructive to add concerning this topic?? (You may want to tone down that kind of hostility; that never gives balm to anyone. --LegendarySSJ7) Last edited by LegendarySSJ7; 07-06-2008 at 07:38 PM.

06-29-2008	#118 (permalink)
~~jellybean~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	Re: Broly vs bojack Broly was overwhelming agains SSJ2 adult gohan. Bojack didn't stand a chance against SSJ2 kid Gohan. SSJ2 adult gohan > SSJ2 kid gohan hence, Broly >>>>>>>>>>> SSJ2 Adult Gohan > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > Bojack

06-29-2008	#119 (permalink)
TobiGoodBoy (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Under your bed. Posts: 2,209 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 74	Re: Broly vs bojack It'd be quite close. Bojack and Broly were both stronger than FPSSJ. Maybe they're equal? __________________