Remixxx

In my opinion Brolly is stronger then Bojack

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jellybean

That is right.

Jay

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Kid_Goku

In japanese or english? And are you referring to when Gohan is thinking to himself?


Again, not my point. I know already that Gohan has wore regular clothes at times during the 10-day break before the Cell Games. My point is that during the ten day period, when he sports basically the same uniform as he does in Movie 8, he sports a cape as well. You concurred with this statement, so I don't think there's anything more to add.

It's basically the same uniform he got from Piccolo, except the cape is replaced by the material around his neck.
Re-structure/re-phrase this point...it's a bit confusing.

That's the thing; they are random and subjective.

Anyway, going by your numbers, 14/10 = 1.4

That is a "considerable power-up" in Dragon Ball world.

I was referring to later on.


And Vegeta and Trunks went straight after Piccolo. I see no reason for Toei not to include the second RoSaT trips of Vegeta and Trunks if they're going to include Piccolo's. Also, the strength of Trunks and Vegeta during the Cell Games is subjective as well. To me, they're SSjs. It's perfectly plausible for Piccolo to be around the power of only SSj Trunks and Vegeta. Their buffed-up forms on the other hand? No. Especially after their RoSaT trips. But if you believe that Toei covered Piccolo's RoSaT trip, then there should be no reason for them not to cover Vegeta's or Trunks' second RoSaT trip either.

That's speaking canonically. In non-canon terms, Vegeta does no better than anyone else usually.

Actually, he wasn't doing much worse than Goku before Janemba got serious and gripped him, which caused him to revert back to base. His condition after as well, was hardly the condition of someone in extremely bad shape. He was able to speak fluently; to walk etc. Also, Goku stopped Vegeta from even going back out to fight. As I said before: taking more hits doesn't make you more durable.

There's a difference between wanting someone the most and only wanting someone.

Again why would he want Gohan out of the battle? It makes no sense on his part. If Gohan is stronger than him, then how is he going to do any worse? Even after Trunks was attacked, there was a scene where he was flying with Goku to go and check on Gohan after Broli had got to him; only to be stopped by Broli as well. He could've told Trunks to leave then, so why didn't he? If Goku was only concerned about fighting Broli himself, then he would've told everyone to leave, as he's done on numerous occasions in the manga. I fail to see how it's just a coincidence that at first Gohan wasn't assumed to be helpful.

Goku underestimated Broli's power. The tone in which he said it and the following events support that point.

Lying again I see. You've been doing so for how long now lol.

SSJ4 Vegito

Lol, quoted for truth. That made me laugh.

Evil Vegeta

In the original on that exact part.

I asked why Piccolo's weights don't have any effect on his power anymore.



He shouldn't have had any trouble with Broly, then. He saw his maximum, so Gohan's quote is possibly a comparison to his new power and Broly's power, though he states this while he's fighting SSJ Broly.

Yeah, but Vegeta, at least, was a USSJ in the battle with Broly, while Trunks is a guess. If Piccolo is post-rosat, and the two Saiyans are as well, then everyone is post-rosat. The fact that Piccolo (unless you believe Broly is around Semi Cell) could at least participate in the battle, get trashed for a bit, have enough time to yell at Vegeta for being a wuss, and still continue the battle, has to count for him, anyway. Piccolo before the rosat couldn't do that.

Vegeta told Goku that he would be the one to finish Cell, and this is after he senses 50% MSSJ Goku, so it's likely he surpassed that, or there would be no reason for him to be confident after his second trip there. Even if you think they stopped using USSJ, their SSJ forms were on-par with a Cell Jr to an extent, and Piccolo didn't get dropped with ease against them as well. The point is, Piccolo is nowhere near any post-rosat SSJ/USSJ until he goes in the rosat, which is after Goku & Gohan exit it.

You also said Goku was likely considering the odds in the situation, so Piccolo would've had to be sort of powerful to alter his outlook on the battle, or Goku would've just been stupid to think all four of them could take Broly.



Vegeta never does worse then someone many times weaker, either.



Vegeta didn't even land a hit on Janemba. He got like a little shove in, but that was only to change his direction so he could fire a beam, which was dodged by that warp thing Janemba does. Goku was actually fighting okay against Janemba until he created that sword.



Goku was the main priority, but he wouldn't turn around and act like no one else is there, neither. He didn't like any of them.



Gohan could've still been stronger even with that. The difference between MSSJ Goku & MSSJ Gohan isn't nearly as much, since Cell said that "Goku probably wasn't exaggerating", which does equal to Gohan being stronger, but not a super extreme amount.

You also forget that Gohan isn't all that skilled in battle; even when (yes, I know it's the Cell Games) Gohan was in the battle, Cell kept telling Goku to stop wasting his time and eat a senzu so he can continue. Cell wanted to fight the most powerful warriors, yet he didn't want to continue with Gohan. Gohan was holding back, I know; it just makes the dfference not seem that significant, but that's my opinion. So if Gohan is somewhat better then Goku, it isn't very noticeable, and if he's not all that skilled to begin with, his power doesn't matter. If Goku is 8, and Gohan is 10, then Broly suddenly jumps to 18, Goku's confidence in Gohan is over.

Just think about it: If Cell wasn't suppressed, and he powered-up straight to full-power when Gohan went to full-power, you think Goku would just let Gohan continue the battle? The same Goku had a second thought about SSJ2 Gohan havin an easy battle against Cell once he goes to his maximum. He says: "So this is Cell at full-power, huh?" Of course he was wrong, but a much weaker MSSJ Gohan would be all but oblivion, and we know Goku wouldn't hang Gohan out to dry.

Exactly! Just like he overestimated Gohan's power when Cell was squeezing the crap out of him. He looked like he was ready to join Piccolo in the attack against Cell to stop this. Broly didn't power-up from the point where they all go SSJ, to the point where he destroys the planet, right? Goku just had more foresight on thr potential power of Broly, and knew it was no joke.

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Garlic Jr

i think bojack is way stronger then movie 8 broly. bojack>>broly (movie 8)
if bojack fought movie 10 broly he would have some problems but wuld still win since i think broly didn't get that much stronger. bojack>broly (movie 10)

Broly The LSSJ

Failing again I see. You've been doing so for how long now lol.

Me and Evil Vegeta have you beaten. Just face it and start polishing my shoes.

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Let's see

Broly(Movie 10)>Broly(Movie 8)>Bojack(Transformed)

Bojack Transformed is not all that strong. The reason I say this is because MSSj Gohan was to "hang" with Bojack(Transformed) when they combated 1 on 1 for a brief period. Gohan did get stronger from the previous movie, however, his power gap is not tremendous though.

SRP76

I think it is. From his Androids saga power level to his Cell Games power level. A huge increase, just like everyone else. Even if he only doubled his power, it's huge. It goes from getting demolished by Broly to being able to beat Broly without any effort whatsoever.

Like this:

Gohan (Movie 8) = 100
Broly (Movie 8) = 150
Gohan (Movie 9) = 200

Bogard

Well, it this really comes down to if you believe tha Movie 8 was Post-Rosat or Mid Rosat. I believe it's Post-Rosat.

Broly The LSSJ

Same here. Thats really the best way to look at it.

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I believe it's "No RoSaT". I saw no Time Chamber in the movie (or ANY movie). In fact, I didn't even hear a character mention that he had even heard that there was even a rumor that a Time Chamber existed in any movie. There was only training in there in the manga, and the movies don't follow the manga in any kind of way.

Evil Vegeta

If Vegeta is a USSJ, and Gohan is a MSSJ/SSJ, then there is a rosat, since they never achieve either form outside of it.

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Future Gohan was a Super Saiyan. No Time Chamber. The movies are not part of the canon reality, at all.