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Yo's my man broly would rock the -Blanka -off- of -street fighter-looking-mothaf**** out.

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Are you going to revive all Broly thread??? you are pathetic.

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Gohan wasn't holding back. He simply had difficulty reading Dabura's movements, along with actually inflicting damage on him. Goku saw Dabura attack Kibito, revealing his power, which is hardly a guess on his part.



Cell tanked a fireball from USSJ/SSJ Vegeta after he blasted Trunks, as well as take a full-power beam from Piccolo, and showed no damage. It was because he was significantly more powerful then them, so his anatomy really doesn't matter.



Broly's as much of monster as before, and here I've powered-up considerably. Gohan was clearly boasting, as if he would suddenly kick Broly's ass with his new found abilities.



Piccolo & Gohan are entirely different; one was always seen with both, the other wasn't. Why exactly don't you think it was good for him in the Cell arc? Android #16 stated that Piccolo only rivaled him when he had his weights on, and suddenly he was equal to #17 without them and powered-up? Uh, it does still help his training.



And my point is when he did have on his uniform, especially that way in #8, he was a MSSJ. There's nothin that shows against this.


Yeah, but again: If there was no immediate problem on the planet, what's the point of them being in SSJ? You can be a MSSJ without being in SSJ all the time, that's shown in the Buu saga.


Goku & Gohan were MSSJ like, 10-14 episodes before the Cell Games even began. If the movie started somewhere within that span, or a bit before that, they're in MSSJ form. Exactly when can you determine they were MSSJ? Once Goku said they were going to master the SSJ form, Vegeta & Trunks were still going against Cell, and this is way before an exit even takes place. It's perfectly plausible for them to be MSSJ., as there was a good amount of time to oversee them develop into one.



Gohan stated that he was more powerful then his last bout with Broly, and Broly is also more powerful. You can choose to look at it however you want if you wish.

What's he going to do? Teleport him away all of a sudden?
Gohan did try to leave, actually. Broly just got right to him and launched him through the building.

When an enemy is way above everyone else, that doesn't really matter.

He actually was keeping up. It took a lot more to bring him down then nearly everyone else.

The same reason he wasn't after Kid Buu kicked him around, in a more damaging fashion, mind you.

Broly made it clear that he was going to do everything in his power to blow Goku away. Goku knows how powerful he is, and what situation poses; why would he want Gohan there if he know the enemy only wants to get him? Cell didn't just want Goku, he wanted a good challenge, totally different. Besides, Cell was in the same range of power as Goku & Gohan, Broly was above that.


Tell me when Piccolo wasn't thrown aside quicker then Vegeta, then? Whether Vegeta gets thrashed like a ragdoll or not is irrelevant; it just doesn't happen much quicker to Vegeta then Piccolo, at all.

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That's hardly the viewpoint of someone open to new ideas =/

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Now that I think about it, Bojack does resemble Blanka to an extent. That was funny.

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I'm not talking about Gohan vs. Dabura.

Point taken. It still doesn't go anyway towards proving that Goku was a MSSj though.


I don't see how he was "clearly" boasting. Also you need to look at the context it's said in.

Where's that line? I want to go and re-watch that part of the movie.

Fact is that Gohan when wearing the uniform at the time, always had the cape on. Can this be denied?

lol, it's called suppressing his power. There's nothing to say that he wasn't.

lol, what do you mean "especially that way in #8?" That's the same uniform he's been wearing long before the Cell Arc. He's also worn it in previous movies. I just checked a clip of him again and the uniform is no different to any other time he wore it. The only difference here is that he's a SSj. The real fact is: Anytime he wore that uniform and was a SSj during that time, he sported the cape.

I look it as Broli now being stronger than MSSj and Goku & Gohan, and Gohan actually being a MSSj in this movie.

It was only nine.

If. That's the thing. You're still trying to fit it in with the canon timeline.

They weren't MSSjs until a little before or just when they left RoSaT. Saying you want to master SSj doesn't mean you are a MSSj. Toei would have no idea at that point of what the form would be like or how strong it would be.

That's evading the point.

And what happened after?

Point taken.

Doing better than Vegeta isn't much to go by lol.

In any case, "keeping up" isn't exactly supporting your point well. If Piccolo is Post-RoSat and so Vegeta and Trunks have taken their second trips to the RoSaT, then their SSjT2 and 3 forms should exceed Piccolo's power greatly. As should Gohan and Goku's MSSj power. He shouldn't be able to "do better" than anybody.

That's not my point though. My point is Piccolo's situation is comparable to Vegeta's situation in Movie 12.

Firstly you said that Broli was going to go after Gohan, then you say that Broli only wants Goku?

If Goku needs help, he won't just tell everyone to go away. If he needs you there, he'll have you there.

Haha but you listen to Kyle Herbert, so I'm not learning anything from you.

Evil Vegeta

Well, I thought you were.



Okay. But if Goku's not all that strong, and Broly isn't as well, why wouldn't the attack at least faze him a bit?




Gohan was stating it as if he shouldn't have any trouble with Broly. Like, it would suddenly be easy instead of difficult.

When base Gohan is in the middle of his bout with Broly.


No, it can't be. Fact is, is Gohan, outside of his Saiyan armor, ever seen with regular clothes on? Yes. During those ten days he did, so it's plausible that he wouldn't need the cape.



Lol, Piccolo was powered-up and very suppressed at that point, then? No one made note (Krillin, Tien, or anyone else) of Piccolo's power being any different from it was when he powered-up against Cell, and when Cell used taiyoken and left. I'll agree that he could've still been very suppressed, since Cell could do it. Other then that, why don't his weights work anymore?



I know. I just want to know if you can tell me when he's ever had the uniform on while being a SSJ?



Random numbers:

SSJ Kid Gohan movie #8= 10
MSSJ Kid Gohan (Cell Games)=20
MSSJ Teen Gohan-14

Even if that chart is a bit off, tell me what's powered-up considerably about that?




Okay.



None of the movies, outside of two of them fit. I'm just going on what we see.



I never said they were MSSJ once Goku said it. I said there was a span between that time, and when they actually fought against Cell in the tourney.



How? You said Goku was tied up. If I remember, after he told Gohan to leave, he attacked Broly directly. He wasn't tied up at all. He could've teleported him away.



Piccolo arrived with his senzu beans.


If Piccolo did better then USSJ Vegeta, when he couldn't even stand up to Imperfect Cell, it is much to go by, lol.

Piccolo went right in after Goku & Gohan left. Vegeta & Trunks didn't have to make the second trips in there by that point. Also; Piccolo did just as well as Vegeta & Trunks when the Cell Jr's attacked them. All three looked exactly the same. That shouldn't be, right?


Actually, Vegeta aside from talkin his usual cool crap, put up no resistance at all. Once he got gripped by Janemba's long arm, he reverted to base. Piccolo actually fought longer then that, so it doesn't really compare.



He attacked Goku like two times before he even transformed. Goku already knew Broly was only after him. Broly specifically said: "Do you care what happens to your son", or anything along those lines. The first person he attacked was Trunks, but Goku was clearly the one he wanted. Goku telling Gohan to leave was a precaution act on his part, not, "you're weaker then me", so you aren't needed. He just saw Broly blow up the planet with that fireball, and wanted Gohan out of the battle.

This is true, but again; Goku was never in a situation like this before. Goku's quote could also imply that he's enough to handle Broly on his own, which isn't the case. If your desperate man argument is actually usable, then Gohan was more of a factor then you think, or he wouldn't have been allowed back in with the addition of Piccolo only.

This brings up another question: If Gohan was so weak, why would Goku even allow Gohan to enter the battle in the first place? All three of them looked virtually the same against Broly in the first bout, and Goku even stated that the second bout would be different. Once Broly wiped out the planet, Goku told Gohan to leave. Broly didn't even power-up in-between those points, so it couldn't have been because Gohan was so weak to where he couldn't do anything.

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Not really dude. Every post here is from my own train of thought. One that shows how little knowledge you have lol

Haha fasho


EDIT:
Funny, ma boy Evil Vegeta repped me for that post.

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