stefzed54

Again, who wins this one? I'd like to see Majuub win, but I'm not entirely sure.

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Majuub

SSJ Vegeto, pretty easily. Majuub did a better job than SSJ3 Goku at first but it's not like he was leaps and bounds ahead of Bebi. SSJ3 Goku isn't stronger than Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) and surely not stronger than SSJ Vegeto. Bebi had a little difficulty taking his hits, and if he had a hard time taking the hits of someone weaker than Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) he stands no chance against Vegeto. With that said, SSJ3 Goku and Majuub should be in the same league but SSJ Vegeto is still on another level.

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stefzed54

I disagree, after all the training and GT making Goku godlike, I'm sure SSJ3 Goku is leaps above Gohan Buu.

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Majuub

I wouldn't be too sure if I were you. SSJ Goku in GT is as strong as SSJ3 Goku in Z who is two saiyans level below Shin Buu. Simple list.(Let's use 2x multipliers for every forms to make this easy)

SSJ3 Goku(GT): 100

SSJ Gotenks: 100 (Stated to be in the same league as SSJ3 Goku)

SSJ2 Gotenks: 200

SSJ3 Gotenks: 400

Shin Buu: 390

Chou Gohan: 600

Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed): 790

Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) 990

SSJ Goku(GT): 100

SSJ2 Goku(GT): 200

SSJ3 Goku(GT): 400
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It was a simple list, but just take that into consideration. SSJ Goku in GT is as powerful as SSJ3 Goku in Z who is as strong as SSJ Gotenks. Now we have a perfect comparison. Gotenks and Goku(GT) are exactly on the same level.

SSJ Goku(GT)=SSJ Gotenks

SSJ2 Goku(GT)=SSJ2 Gotenks

SSJ3 Goku(Z)=SSJ3 Gotenks

At best, SSJ3 Goku(GT) is in the same league as SSJ3 Gotenks, no matter which way you look at it, he doesn't come close to Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed)

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gkrt

Rildo was said to be stronger than Fat Buu. Goku lost to him at Super Saiyan and I usually put SSJ3 30 times stronger than SSJ.

Fat Buu: 1,000
Super Buu: 36,000
Rildo: 1,200
SSJ Goku: 700
SSJ3 Goku: 21,000
Bebi: 35,000
Majuub: 26,000

So in my opinion Super Buu without absorbing anyone is stronger than Majuub.

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Majuub

In fact, don't take any numbers in consideration. Just look at the simple fact.

SSJ Gotenks(Stated to be in the same league as SSJ3 Goku)

SSJ3 Goku(Z) (In the same league as Chibi Buu)

Rildo(In the same league as Chibi Buu)

SSJ Goku(GT) (In the same league as Rildo)

Now it gives

SSJ Goku(GT)=Rildo=SSJ3 Goku(Z)=Chibi Buu=SSJ Gotenks

By logic, SSJ3 Goku(GT) and SSJ3 Gotenks should be dead even, the same applies for their SSJ2 form.

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stefzed54

The difference between me and you Majuub is that you think Goku was refering to Rildo's strongest form when he compared him to Kid Buu, I on the other hand do not.

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Cyrax

SSJ Vegito >>> Shin Buu >>>>>>>>>>> Majuub

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Majuub

Goku was indeed refering to Rildo's maximum power. He said at first ''Wow, I think he's even stronger than Majin Buu'' then the fight started, Goku at base was EASILY owning Rildo, why would he be impressed by someone he can own with almost no effort? It's not like Rildo made him work or anything. If he was impressed by Rildo simply because he can easily kick his ass at base it doesn't make much sense, going by that logic, he should have been impressed by Ledgic who at least made him go SSJ. Look at the fight again, Goku was smiling when he was kicking Rildo, he was obviously waiting for something as when Rildo merged with the Sigma forced, Goku wasn't shocked nor suprised by his power, seems he was expecting something like that.

Anyways, that's beside the point, even if Goku was as strong as Chibi Buu at base, he would still be much weaker than Shin Buu. It goes like this.

SSJ Gotenks: 100

SSJ2 Gotenks: 200

SSJ3 Gotenks: 400

Shin Buu: 390

Chou Gohan: 600

Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed): 790

Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed: 990

Base Goku(GT): 100

SSJ Goku(GT): 200

SSJ2 Goku(GT): 400

SSJ3 Goku(GT): 800

See? No matter which way you look at it he's much weaker than Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed). Goku wasn't comparing Rildo's base power to Majin Buu, he was comparing his maximum power. He was impressed because Rildo was probably the first ennemy that would put up a good match against him even in his SSJ state. He shouldn't be impressed if he can win easily at base, there is nothing impressive about an ennemy weaker than base Goku.

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SSJ4 Vegito

I'd say Vegito since I believe he could take Bebi-Vegeta (Third Form) and therefore he could take out Majuub. However I don't believe that Gotenks reached SSJ2, the reason is because, when Goten & Trunks were "Planning" how to defeat Super Buu. Goten only said: "I never knew there was a level beyond Super Saiyan" or somthing like that. So they said A level if they had reached SSJ2 then they would have said 2 levels. Perhaps SSJ2 isn't nessessary for the SSJ3 Transformation because, let's not forget that SSJ Gotenks wasn't getting completely owned by Super Buu.
I've also given some thought on Goku's Power in GT. Well in the Super 17 Saga Trunks killed Yakkon in One blast so that would put Base Trunks stronger than Base Goku (Buu Saga). Now since Goten is around Trunks' power, that means that his SSJ Form would be around his Father's SSJ Form in the Buu Saga. When Baby Possessed Goten he was fighting Base Gohan in his SSJ Form and since Baby gave Vegeta such a humongous Power up when Vegeta was possessed I would think some of that would apply to Goten & Gohan when Baby was actually inside them. So really considering how Base Gohan was able to hold his own against SSJ Bebi-Goten then if Goten transformed into a SSJ he'd probably be a decent amount stronger than Good Buu's Power (Especially considering that he was perfectly willing to take out Good Buu, before Baby stopped him). Considering how I believe Base Gotenks (Post-Rosat) is around SSJ2 Goku, and that Base Goku (GT) pounded the crap out of SSJ Gohan that would probably make Base Goku (GT) around Fat Buu. So I believe Goku on the same level as Gotenks is a pretty decent margin stronger.

apocalypse1280

Oh boy, this should be interesting..... Anyways, Goku says to Bebi Vegeta right before he attempted to kill him with his Revenge Death Ball, "It's true...! I've never felt a Ki as awesome as this". That means he was the strongest character up to that point, out of any and all characters. Majuub fought evenly with that same Bebi Vegeta. So I'd say Majuub is stronger than SSJ Vegito. Not that it would be a walk in the park so to speak, but Majuub would win for sure. Also SSJ Goku in GT is stronger then SSJ3 Goku in Z, so just think about how strong SSJ3 Goku in GT really is.

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Majuub

Well obviously, if Goku says it's the awesome Ki he felt, he won't be refering to the power of a fusion he is part of, that doesn't make much sense. For me he was comparing Bebi's power to the most powerful warrior vilain he fought up to that point and he somewhat fought Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) at best that puts Bebi a little stronger than him but surely not stronger than SSJ Vegeto. If you're the strongest warrior in the universe and no one ever came close to you but someday, another warrior comes and he's almost as strong as you, obviously, you'll say he's the most powerful warrior you've ever seen but you don't include yourself.

And man do I hate dubs, it can range from you're powerful to you're the MOST powerful I've ever seen. Logic tells us SSJ Vegeto would mop the floor with Majuub but to be sure we have to know what was said in the original version of the anime.

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stefzed54

Rildo had to merge with the sigma force to be strong enough to take on Goku, how can Goku sense Rildo's hidden strength if it consisted of merging? That's like fusion in a way.

Goku easily surpasses Gohan Buu, this is how it goes.

Kid Buu: 750

Super Buu: 1890

Gotenks Buu: 4030

Gohan Buu: 4725

Kid Goku: 800

Rildo: 755

SSJ Kid Goku: 2400

Sigma Rildo: 1500

Metalic Rildo: 2450

SSJ3 Goku: 4800

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Majuub

Shin Buu is just 2,52x stronger than Chibi Buu. It doesn't make sense, he's as strong as SSJ3 Goku who's about as strong as SSJ Gotenks. SSJ3 Gotenks is equal to Shin Buu. The difference between Chibi Buu and Shin Buu is the same difference as the one between SSJ and SSJ3 Gotenks. Don't go tell me the multiplier from SSJ to SSJ3 is 2,52x. Going by logic it's at least 4x since ascending to another form multiplies the power by 2x at the very least.

That's not the point. Rildo said he was the whole planet, the very source of his power was the planet itself. It means his maximum power is always there no matter if he tries to hide it or not, Goku could feel it but didn't know where it came from. Surely, why would he be impressed by Rildo if he can easily win in his base from. Even if you have his base form as powerful as his SSJ3 self, it still makes him weaker than Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed)

It's more like this.

Chibi Buu: 750

Shin Buu: 3000

Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed): 6,000

Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) 7,500

SSJ Goku(min) or base Goku(max): 800

SSJ2(min or SSJ Goku(max): 1,600

SSJ3(min) or SSJ2 Goku(max): 3,200

SSJ3 Goku(max): 6,400

At the very best SSJ3 Goku is slightly stronger than Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed) but he can't be stronger than Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed)

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stefzed54

2.5x difference is just fine for Super Buu > Kid Buu

I cant see it being anymore bigger.

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