GRAND FIGHT: Vegeta's family vs. Goku's family - Page 2

apocalypse1280 · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Do I smell Vegeta fanboy here??

Yes of course, but I'm still right.

**Majuub** · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

Yes of course, but I'm still right.

Honestly, on a more serious note. SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta, put them against each other, there must be a noticable difference between the two since, base Goku in GT is pretty much above SSJ2 Vegeta in GT. I believe if they were to go SSJ4, Goku would win rather easily, but Vegeta's power is still not to put aside.

apocalypse1280 · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Honestly, on a more serious note. SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta, put them against each other, there must be a noticable difference between the two since, base Goku in GT is pretty much above SSJ2 Vegeta in GT. I believe if they were to go SSJ4, Goku would win rather easily, but Vegeta's power is still not to put aside.

Goku's base form in GT is very powerful, almost equal to SSJ3 Goku in Z. Now having said that, to be honest, Vegeta has always been training, as seen in the lost episodes, before the Baby Saga, so I don't think he was too much behind Goku. In fact, when Vegeta was gonna fight Goku after the tournament, after Mr. Satan had beaten Majuub, thanks to Majin Buu, both Goku and Vegeta powered up to SSJ, which means that Goku knew his SSJ would be equal to, if not slightly more powerful then SSJ Vegeta. If Goku was more confident, as shown before hand, he would have just remained in his base form, which he didn't. So SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta aren't too far off in power as say Goten and Trunks when they fused, seeing as how Vegeta's PL was even with Goku's in order to fuse in the first place. Pretty simple actually.

Ames · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

Goku's base form in GT is very powerful, almost equal to SSJ3 Goku in Z. Now having said that, to be honest, Vegeta has always been training, as seen in the lost episodes, before the Baby Saga, so I don't think he was too much behind Goku. In fact, when Vegeta was gonna fight Goku after the tournament, after Mr. Satan had beaten Majuub, thanks to Majin Buu, both Goku and Vegeta powered up to SSJ, which means that Goku knew his SSJ would be equal to, if not slightly more powerful then SSJ Vegeta. If Goku was more confident, as shown before hand, he would have just remained in his base form, which he didn't. So SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta aren't too far off in power as say Goten and Trunks when they fused, seeing as how Vegeta's PL was even with Goku's in order to fuse in the first place. Pretty simple actually.

I was always under the impression that by this part in GT, SSJ4 Goku>/=SSJ4 Vegeta.

**Majuub** · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

Goku's base form in GT is very powerful, almost equal to SSJ3 Goku in Z. Now having said that, to be honest, Vegeta has always been training, as seen in the lost episodes, before the Baby Saga, so I don't think he was too much behind Goku. In fact, when Vegeta was gonna fight Goku after the tournament, after Mr. Satan had beaten Majuub, thanks to Majin Buu, both Goku and Vegeta powered up to SSJ, which means that Goku knew his SSJ would be equal to, if not slightly more powerful then SSJ Vegeta. If Goku was more confident, as shown before hand, he would have just remained in his base form, which he didn't. So SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta aren't too far off in power as say Goten and Trunks when they fused, seeing as how Vegeta's PL was even with Goku's in order to fuse in the first place. Pretty simple actually.

I know all of that, and it's one of the many reasons I hate GT. Vegeta was getting beaten by Goten and Trunks who were both weaker than base Goku. There is also the fact SSJ4 is their final form and probably the limits of their power, so that's why I believe they shouldn't be too far away as SSJ4. Anyways, as for the tournament, I don't know what Toei was thinking, it's not like Vegeta in GT was as strong as SSJ3 Goku in Z but whatever. I don't even want to argue over all that since it hardly make sense for Vegeta to go from weaker than Chibi Buu to as strong as SSJ4 Goku even if he never ascended to SSJ3. As for the fight in the tournament, Goku respects Vegeta, he won't go an beat him around in his base form, he knows it's insulting for Vegeta. It was like in the Buu saga, instead of going SSJ3, he fought Vegeta equally to show they were equal. Anyway, GT logic hardly make sense so I suppose any answer is right.

When Vegeta fought Goten and Trunks, I think he was having a run for his money, if I remember correctly, didn't Goten and Trunks also attacked base Goku who wasn't affraid of them at all. I think Goten even tried to get him from behind and Goku was like ''Goten, I never thaught you to attack from behind like an amateur''. There is also the fact Goku trained with Uub, but wait, how long did he train?? 10 years?? In the ROSAT?? 1min=6hours in the ROSAT.

apocalypse1280 · 05-22-2008

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I know all of that, and it's one of the many reasons I hate GT. Vegeta was getting beaten by Goten and Trunks who were both weaker than base Goku. There is also the fact SSJ4 is their final form and probably the limits of their power, so that's why I believe they shouldn't be too far away as SSJ4. Anyways, as for the tournament, I don't know what Toei was thinking, it's not like Vegeta in GT was as strong as SSJ3 Goku in Z but whatever. I don't even want to argue over all that since it hardly make sense for Vegeta to go from weaker than Chibi Buu to as strong as SSJ4 Goku even if he never ascended to SSJ3. As for the fight in the tournament, Goku respects Vegeta, he won't go an beat him around in his base form, he knows it's insulting for Vegeta. It was like in the Buu saga, instead of going SSJ3, he fought Vegeta equally to show they were equal. Anyway, GT logic hardly make sense so I suppose any answer is right.

When Vegeta fought Goten and Trunks, I think he was having a run for his money, if I remember correctly, didn't Goten and Trunks also attacked base Goku who wasn't affraid of them at all. I think Goten even tried to get him from behind and Goku was like ''Goten, I never thaught you to attack from behind like an amateur''. There is also the fact Goku trained with Uub, but wait, how long did he train?? 10 years?? In the ROSAT?? 1min=6hours in the ROSAT.

I'm trying to comprehend this "rant" of yours, no offense. I don't wanna get into a big thing either. But you're right about Goten and Gohan attacking Base Goku, and Goku kicked both their asses no problem. And Goten did attack Goku from behind, and Goku deflected it without even looking and basically said what you paraphrased. I wouldn't really say Baby Gohan and Baby Goten were kicking Vegeta's ass, they were being little bitches. They did some technique where they flew around Vegeta at extremely high speed, basically engulfing him in some kind of energy bubble. They then proceeded to shoot little ki blasts at him, for the sole purpose of giving him little cuts so Baby could absorb Vegeta. After a few seconds Vegeta got pissed off and just blew them away, no problem, with an Angry Explosion. Then Baby absorbed him. That's how the fight went. As far as the tournament goes, Vegeta had been training the entire time between Z and GT, as shown in the lost episodes. Now of course he wasn't as strong as Goku, lol. But I wouldn't say his power was too inferior compared to Goku's. I don't believe base Goku could beat SSJ Vegeta. After all, Vegeta was strong enough to go SSJ4.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-23-2008

Okay then I missed that this is the Non-canon section so I'll do it again:

1. SSJ4 Goku vs. SSJ4 Vegeta: SSJ4 Goku w/a struggle
2. Mystic Gohan vs. ASSJ/USSJ Future Trunks: Gohan with ease.
3. SSJ Goten vs. SSJ Trunks: Trunks w/a huge struggle
4. Chichi vs. Bulma: Chichi with ease.

Gohan after defeating Future Trunks helps Goten and Trunks loses. Then Goku wins the fight with Vegeta eventually.

vicdmx · 05-23-2008

Has I am a proud Vegeta/Trunks fanboy I will say Vegeta´s family, I dont care if anyone doesn´t like what I said, Vegeta´s family would win in my fanboyish opinion.

**Majuub** · 05-23-2008

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I'm trying to comprehend this "rant" of yours, no offense. I don't wanna get into a big thing either. But you're right about Goten and Gohan attacking Base Goku, and Goku kicked both their asses no problem. And Goten did attack Goku from behind, and Goku deflected it without even looking and basically said what you paraphrased. I wouldn't really say Baby Gohan and Baby Goten were kicking Vegeta's ass, they were being little bitches. They did some technique where they flew around Vegeta at extremely high speed, basically engulfing him in some kind of energy bubble. They then proceeded to shoot little ki blasts at him, for the sole purpose of giving him little cuts so Baby could absorb Vegeta. After a few seconds Vegeta got pissed off and just blew them away, no problem, with an Angry Explosion. Then Baby absorbed him. That's how the fight went. As far as the tournament goes, Vegeta had been training the entire time between Z and GT, as shown in the lost episodes. Now of course he wasn't as strong as Goku, lol. But I wouldn't say his power was too inferior compared to Goku's. I don't believe base Goku could beat SSJ Vegeta. After all, Vegeta was strong enough to go SSJ4.

I thought it was because of the machine Bulma made. Also, it seems SSJ4 doesn't require much power since the saiyan hasn't even got to be able to ascend to SSJ3. He just needs SSJ and a tail. Power is surely not what made Vegeta able to go SSJ4 but anyways, that's beside the point. As for the rest, I thought about it again and it's true, Vegeta and Goku were pretty in the same league when you put them in the same form, it goes like that for the entire series(Aside from the Frieza saga). Just look at SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku, they were pretty even, so, logically, SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta should have the same gap in power and the same goes for their base forms.

apocalypse1280 · 05-23-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

I thought it was because of the machine Bulma made. Also, it seems SSJ4 doesn't require much power since the saiyan hasn't even got to be able to ascend to SSJ3. He just needs SSJ and a tail. Power is surely not what made Vegeta able to go SSJ4 but anyways, that's beside the point.

Besides the fact that Vegeta would never be able to go SSJ4 without the Blutz Waves anyway because he had no tail, you totally missed my point here. I meant Vegeta was strong enough to hold the power in his body and harness/control it, in order to go from Oozaru, to Golden Oozaru, then SSJ4. Remember, Vegeta is always constantly training, as shown in the Lost Episodes, and even in the Shadow Dragons arc. While Goku and Pan were fighting the Dragons, Vegeta was training and Bulma was thinking of a plan for him to go SSJ4, since Baby was able to go Golden Oozaru. But anyway, the point is, is that I meant he was strong enough to hold, harness and control the power to become a SSJ4.

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As for the rest, I thought about it again and it's true, Vegeta and Goku were pretty in the same league when you put them in the same form, it goes like that for the entire series(Aside from the Frieza saga). Just look at SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku, they were pretty even, so, logically, SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta should have the same gap in power and the same goes for their base forms.

I knew you'd see the light... and common sense.

05-23-2008	#22 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 957 Rep Power: 3	Re: GRAND FIGHT: Vegeta's family vs. Goku's family Okay then I missed that this is the Non-canon section so I'll do it again: 1. SSJ4 Goku vs. SSJ4 Vegeta: SSJ4 Goku w/a struggle 2. Mystic Gohan vs. ASSJ/USSJ Future Trunks: Gohan with ease. 3. SSJ Goten vs. SSJ Trunks: Trunks w/a huge struggle 4. Chichi vs. Bulma: Chichi with ease. Gohan after defeating Future Trunks helps Goten and Trunks loses. Then Goku wins the fight with Vegeta eventually.

05-23-2008	#23 (permalink)
vicdmx (13) Great Ape Join Date: May 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 278 Rep Power: 1	Re: GRAND FIGHT: Vegeta's family vs. Goku's family Has I am a proud Vegeta/Trunks fanboy I will say Vegeta´s family, I dont care if anyone doesn´t like what I said, Vegeta´s family would win in my fanboyish opinion.