Transformed Bojack vs. Broly - Page 3

**Broly** · 05-14-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Well maybe but they still could easily pull characters from wherever they want since they wanted to make Goku the hero. We don't know what goes on in the guys head's who make this so I don't see why we have to for "Outside-universe" explanations. They could have pulled them from the Time Chamber it's their movie and they can do whatever they want. Also you clearly notice in the scene after Vegeta is first grabbed by Piccolo to go and fight. Gohan is blasted aside and Broly (With an angry look on his face) punches Goku, and then the screen goes back to Vegeta & Piccolo arguing. No I suppose you'd say "Well Piccolo isn't stronger than Vegeta in the Cell Games" well that may be true but I find it quite possible that Piccolo was in the ROSAT for most of the Movie so I think Vegeta and Trunks are at their level when they fought Perfect Cell. Piccolo didn't do too much worse against the Cell Juniors than Vegeta & Trunks did, and Vegeta (Cell Games) thought he could beat Cell (The one who creamed him before) so I could easily see Piccolo (Movie 8) being better than Vegeta (Movie 8).
As I mentioned before Goku was hit by Broly (Who has a mad expression on his face) and then when Goku is knocked into a building and says "This guy is really something else" Broly blasts him one time (With a serious look on his face) now we never see Gohan again after he's blasted away in the scene where Piccolo is nagging Vegeta so really when Broly had a pissed off expression for those instances then Goku is stronger since he lasted longer. We might not know who he was going harder on and who he wasn't but when you see Goku get with a serious punch and a blast and still have alot more energy to keep fighting, then he could easily be the strongest warrior. Even in the first round he has the same expression on his face when he fights them before Piccolo shows up and yet Goku STILL lasts longer. So really theres nothing to suggest that he fought them each with a certain level of power. This is of course my opinion, but I made this thread to not have another discussion regarding the Z Fighters power in Movie 8 & Movie 10 so I was aiming to avoid it but oh, well.
However Broly is right about one thing combining Base Vegeta (Half power) & the others half power was really not the case I think they simply needed some reason for Broly to be defeated. However I think that they had more fight in them but since they already tried ganging up on him Piccolo knew it wouldn't work so maybe they just decided to combine they're powers.

Well, the reason why we call the Movies a seperate universe from the storyline is because they're impossible to fit into the timeline, or something that occurs within the feature films don't go hand-in-hand with what the canon universe states or shows. The movie creators have a right to make their movies the way they want, but even so, as I've said, they just don't make full sense when you get right down to it. There are countless mistakes in the Z Movies that would hardly merit them as any sort of relation with the canonical events of the main story. It's very possible though that Vegeta and Trunks were only meant to be "1st RoSaT Run Super Saiyans" in Movie 8...but maybe not. As you said, we don't know what went through the script writers minds. But this we know for certain: Goku had been the hero for the last 6 movies before Movie 8. It's quite obvious Toei was aiming to make Goku the hero again in Movie 8 if he did indeed turned out to be the hero, which of course he was. Goku staying alive longer means nothing. Cause if you're basing even part of your analysis on that alone, then would you say that SSj3 Goku was stronger than Ultimate Gohan in Movie 13 because he killed Hildegarn?

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

Hatred doesn't excuse stupidity.

And Broly has no fighting style, even you stated that at one point.

No I did not. I said that his fighting style is different from that of what we usually see in the story. I never said he had no fighting style...or that is at least not the idea I wanted to get across if such is what you received. I feel that BrolytheLSSj conveyed my very same thoughts well on this exact matter.

Broly The LSSJ · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

Cause if you're basing even part of your analysis on that alone, then would you say that SSj3 Goku was stronger than Ultimate Gohan in Movie 13 because he killed Hildegarn?

Well non canonly, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan in Movie 13 because he took more hits from Hirudegarn and trained alot more after the Kid Buu Saga while Gohan slacked.

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Originally Posted by Broly

I feel that BrolytheLSSj conveyed my very same thoughts well on this exact matter.

Cool, what do you think of my view on the end of his first movie?

**Broly** · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by BrolytheLSSJ

Well non canonly, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan in Movie 13 because he took more hits from Hirudegarn and trained alot more after the Kid Buu Saga while Gohan slacked.

Cool, what do you think of my view on the ending of his first movie?

The events of Movie 13 couldn't have been anything more than a couple years after Chibi Buu. Actually, nothing that is shown in Movie 13 has changed since that episode when they were celebrating after they killed Chibi Buu. It could've been a month after Chibi Buu's death. And, even if it was 5 years later, do you think Goku could grow approximately 4 times stronger than before in the physical realm, where Super Saiyan 3 is hard? It doesn't seem likely that SSj3 Goku would surpass Ultimate Gohan...especially by the wide-margin of difference that was shown between his and Gohan's powers in the movie. To me, it's just Toei using Goku once more...

I think you pretty much right on about the ending Movie 8. It does seem like Toei was just looking for a way out in ending the movie, so they just made it cheap.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-15-2008

Well Goku did only beat Hirudegarn because of the Dragon Fist Attack however in the anime (which the movies are based off of) SSJ3 Goku didn't do too terribly against Gotenks Buu plus Goku does always have extreme defenses so that factors in. Basically SSJ3 Goku just used his Dragon Fist at the right moment which killed him.

Kai Hiwatari · 05-17-2008

Right time, right moment, meh. Goku owned Hirudegarn in one move. Movie Goku >= Anime Goku > Manga Goku in terms of strength/power.

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Originally Posted by Broly

I think you pretty much right on about the ending Movie 8. It does seem like Toei was just looking for a way out in ending the movie, so they just made it cheap.

Toei powered up Broly so much they trapped themselves. They couldn't find a justifiable way to beat him so they cheesed out, simple.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-17-2008

Not true the Dragon Fist is an extremely powerful attack it's similar to the Spirit Bomb it can badly injure/kill enemies who are leagues above the users power level there other attacks that can do this too such as the Galick Gun, Final Flash & special beam Cannon but yeah that attack played a major part in Hirudegarn's death.

Scorpion77 · 05-18-2008

i see it like this cell > Bojack > broly

cell has alot of good moves, and knows what he's doing

broly is strong but really just full of hatred when he see's goku, i also think broly dont got really good moves

bojack is fast and strong, and is very smart. but bojack does not take things to seriously

Prince Vegeta · 05-19-2008

Nobody was MSSJ in movie 8. If so then why was piccolo doing as well (if not better) than Gohan in that movie? If Gohan was mastered SSJ this clearly would not have been the case. Asside from that, Gohan was a normal SSJ in movie 10 and NOT a SSJ2. I would place Broly (at best) around perfect Cell (not FP). Bojack transformed is I think slightly stronger though I'm not sure. So the fight can go either way. But I'd actually go with Broly because he seems to be able to tap into more power as he gets angrier.

Evil Vegeta · 05-19-2008

What exactly did Piccolo do better then Gohan? I don't recall Piccolo doing anything useful, except for when he made Vegeta look stupid. If Broly's power is 70, Goku's power is around 12, and Gohan's is 20, it would't be noticebale enough or significant to make a difference.

Goku & Gohan were MSSJ against Broly, and Vegeta & Trunks were USSJ as well.

Ames · 05-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

What exactly did Piccolo do better then Gohan? I don't recall Piccolo doing anything useful, except for when he made Vegeta look stupid. If Broly's power is 70, Goku's power is around 12, and Gohan's is 20, it would't be noticebale enough or significant to make a difference.

Goku & Gohan were MSSJ against Broly, and Vegeta & Trunks were USSJ as well.

Doesn't TOEI state that Movie 8 is during or after the Android saga??

Evil Vegeta · 05-19-2008

They never say anything about the timeline of the movie. We know it's beyond the Android saga, though, because Gohan was a SSJ.

Ames · 05-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

They never say anything about the timeline of the movie. We know it's beyond the Android saga, though, because Gohan was a MSSJ.

Fixed for ya...

Evil Vegeta · 05-19-2008

Thanks. That's what I meant to put.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

What exactly did Piccolo do better then Gohan? I don't recall Piccolo doing anything useful, except for when he made Vegeta look stupid. If Broly's power is 70, Goku's power is around 12, and Gohan's is 20, it would't be noticebale enough or significant to make a difference.

Goku & Gohan were MSSJ against Broly, and Vegeta & Trunks were USSJ as well.

Well I noticed a clear difference between Goku & the others so he should just have a slight advantage and Gohan should at least be able to do better than Trunks or Piccolo.

Evil Vegeta · 05-19-2008

But none of them really did anything against Broly. Broly hit Goku with a fireball, and had it not been for Piccolo's senzu, he would've been finished. When Broly kicked Piccolo in the air, he threw a fireball right at him that blew him a good bit away, and exploded. Does that mean Piccolo is stronger then Goku?

Vegeta also was finished just by havin his face squeezed by Broly. That doesn't mean he's weaker then Trunks, who was excited about Vegeta joining the fight, as if he could make a difference. That's why I don't think you can use that to understand the differences in power.

05-15-2008	#34 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124 Rep Power: 5	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly Well Goku did only beat Hirudegarn because of the Dragon Fist Attack however in the anime (which the movies are based off of) SSJ3 Goku didn't do too terribly against Gotenks Buu plus Goku does always have extreme defenses so that factors in. Basically SSJ3 Goku just used his Dragon Fist at the right moment which killed him.

05-17-2008	#36 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124 Rep Power: 5	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly Not true the Dragon Fist is an extremely powerful attack it's similar to the Spirit Bomb it can badly injure/kill enemies who are leagues above the users power level there other attacks that can do this too such as the Galick Gun, Final Flash & special beam Cannon but yeah that attack played a major part in Hirudegarn's death.

05-18-2008	#37 (permalink)
Scorpion77 (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly i see it like this cell > Bojack > broly cell has alot of good moves, and knows what he's doing broly is strong but really just full of hatred when he see's goku, i also think broly dont got really good moves bojack is fast and strong, and is very smart. but bojack does not take things to seriously