Transformed Bojack vs. Broly - Page 2

**Broly** · 05-12-2008

Did you see him slap him in the back of the head and say, "Damn it Trunks!! Stay out of this!!!"? I rest my case.

SRP76 · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Goku was being hit by mutiple fireballs from Broly, and still was somehow okay. Vegeta got his face squeezed by Broly, and he was finished without a second thought.

Goku was clearly stronger then Vegeta, and why would Goku ask Gohan to stay and fight when Broly clearly showed he was tryin to take Goku out? That doesn't mean he think's Gohan's weaker then himself, he just wants him outta the way.

What a bullshit excuse.

Did he tell Trunks to get out of the way? Did he tell Vegeta to get out of the way? Did he tell Piccolo to get out of the way? Did he tell Gohan to get out of the way at the Cell Games? Hell, NO.

He brushed Gohan aside because Gohan wouldn't have been able to keep up with the other fighters.

If not, then EVERYONE would have been brushed aside by Goku, not just Gohan. And if Gohan were stronger than Goku here, like at the Cell Games, Goku would have told Gohan specifically TO fight, just like at the Cell Games, because Gohan's "hidden power" would be their only hope.

Evil Vegeta · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

What a bullshit excuse.

Did he tell Trunks to get out of the way? Did he tell Vegeta to get out of the way? Did he tell Piccolo to get out of the way? Did he tell Gohan to get out of the way at the Cell Games? Hell, NO.

Trunks was the first to get slammed against the rocks by Broly, so he didn't have a chance to tell him to leave the battle. Broly even says Gohan's going to be next, and Goku doesn't want him being in the way at this point. Goku saw that Gohan could do better then he did at the Cell Games, which is an entirely different scenario; Broly's power was way beyond any of their's combined, and Goku knew Gohan's wouldn't even matter, and told him to escape.

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He brushed Gohan aside because Gohan wouldn't have been able to keep up with the other fighters.

Yet, Goku didn't tell Gohan to leave when Piccolo showed up and healed them all.

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If not, then EVERYONE would have been brushed aside by Goku, not just Gohan. And if Gohan were stronger than Goku here, like at the Cell Games, Goku would have told Gohan specifically TO fight, just like at the Cell Games, because Gohan's "hidden power" would be their only hope.

Cell was in Gohan's power range, Broly wasn't. That's why the instances are totally different. Goku didn't tell anyone to not interfere once Piccolo showed up, so what's so different about that point then before when he told Gohan to escape?

SRP76 · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Cell was in Gohan's power range, Broly wasn't.

Apparently, they aren't at their Cell Games power levels, then. Because if they were, Cell Games Goku wouldn't be able to punch a hole in Cell with nothing but the energy of a bunch of half-dead people. Cell is just as far above the fighters he faced as Broly was above the fighters he faced.

Evil Vegeta · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

Apparently, they aren't at their Cell Games power levels, then. Because if they were, Cell Games Goku wouldn't be able to punch a hole in Cell with nothing but the energy of a bunch of half-dead people. Cell is just as far above the fighters he faced as Broly was above the fighters he faced.

Well, Broly could be more durable then Cell. Cell took a Kame beam directly, and was blown to pieces, while Broly took a direct Kame beam, and simply stood there without doing anything. You also have to give Goku credit for that last exchange with Broly as well. He still maintained his SSJ form while receiving the energy, and somehow punched Broly good enough with the energy to win. Broly was kickin him pretty good, so he was in a great deal of pain, not to mention the stomps Broly was doing as well.

Broly was just too stupid at that point, and likely let his guard down. If Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and Trunks all attacked Cell, they would've still lost, but would've put up more resistance in my opinion. We know Cell's full-power was beyond anything Goku believed it was, and I'm not sayin Broly is on that level of power at all; just that, if Cell powered-up to his maximum before Gohan had a chance to fight against Cell, I'm sure Goku would've just forgotten the entire hidden power thing completely.

**Broly** · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

What a bullshit excuse.

Did he tell Trunks to get out of the way? Did he tell Vegeta to get out of the way? Did he tell Piccolo to get out of the way? Did he tell Gohan to get out of the way at the Cell Games? Hell, NO.

He brushed Gohan aside because Gohan wouldn't have been able to keep up with the other fighters.

If not, then EVERYONE would have been brushed aside by Goku, not just Gohan. And if Gohan were stronger than Goku here, like at the Cell Games, Goku would have told Gohan specifically TO fight, just like at the Cell Games, because Gohan's "hidden power" would be their only hope.

You seem to be dismissing the fact that Piccolo, Trunks, and Vegeta are not his son(s), Gohan is. But what's confusing is why you would say that if he brushed Gohan off then everyone would be brushed off. Who would fight Broly? When Goku told Gohan to high-tail it he was the only one standing between Broly and his son. If Broly downed Goku, he could easily kill Gohan. Goku is a father, and he naturally loves his son. He tells him to leave before he confronts Broly again so that Gohan could have some time to get away and perhaps hide. Gohan has always had hidden power. Goku was just using it against Cell as a desperation tactic. Now, while it's true that if Broly were around the same level as Complete Cell, Goku would logically think of Gohan's hidden power to try and fight Broly with. BUT, it is kinda hard to try and get your son angry and full of hot-steeming emotions when all the Zet Senshi were being assaulted unrelentlessly by Broly. When would he have time to try and get Gohan to summon such rage? If it weren't for 16's crushed head and centimental speech, Gohan would never have transformed unless something very drastic happened that stirred his emotions. He also states that he has no apparent idea of how to use his rage for power.

Secondly, Gohan states to Cell that he has no desire to fight him, but in the face of Broly he stands defiant. The is an example of Toei not necessarily mixing the characters emotions into the movies.

Ames · 05-12-2008

Broly Movie 10 >> Bojack (Transformed) > Broly Movie 8.

Kai Hiwatari · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

He was hiding behind Trunks, flying away trying to escape Broly

He was backing away to try and think of a strategy when Trunks jumped in front of him. He didn't ask for Trunks' protection. And he only flew away to try and use his Final Flash, he wasn't running to get away from Broly entirely; he knew that was pointless.

Deep thought · 05-12-2008

I have Cell, at full power, slightly stronger than Broly, same with Bojack.

Bojack=/>Cell=/>Broly. That's in sheer strength, though, because Cell would win against Bojack, despite the minor strength difference.

Broly would lose horribly, though, because, without his huge strength difference, he's nothing. Besides Fat Janemba, every other villain is smarter than Broly. Even Nappa, who was stupid enough to take a Keinzen head on. Then again, I can see Broly being stupid enough to not dodge a Keinzan and take it head on. He has no sort of martial arts and no abilities besides a barrier, which probably only does a lot of damage because of Broly's ludicrous power gaps with everyone else.

Bojack and Cell, on the other hand, are much closer to the top, intelligence-wise. They both rely on more than brute strength, they both know martial arts, and they both have a handful of moves.

I must say that it'll be hard for even Broly fans to ignore this one.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-12-2008

Well to be fair Goku didn't know that it would take THAT much for Gohan to get Mad.

**Broly** · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

I have Cell, at full power, slightly stronger than Broly, same with Bojack.

Bojack=/>Cell=/>Broly. That's in sheer strength, though, because Cell would win against Bojack, despite the minor strength difference.

Broly would lose horribly, though, because, without his huge strength difference, he's nothing. Besides Fat Janemba, every other villain is smarter than Broly. Even Nappa, who was stupid enough to take a Keinzen head on. Then again, I can see Broly being stupid enough to not dodge a Keinzan and take it head on. He has no sort of martial arts and no abilities besides a barrier, which probably only does a lot of damage because of Broly's ludicrous power gaps with everyone else.

Bojack and Cell, on the other hand, are much closer to the top, intelligence-wise. They both rely on more than brute strength, they both know martial arts, and they both have a handful of moves.

I must say that it'll be hard for even Broly fans to ignore this one.

Well I'll tell you, it isn't easy ignoring lame accusations saying Broly is off the wall dumb. He's insane with hatred. And his hatred stems from his insanity because he is the Legendary Super Saiyan. I'm sure, however, that Broly did learn how to fight from his father Paragas, who would know the Saiyan style of fighting, if there was indeed an official one.

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Well to be fair Goku didn't know that it would take THAT much for Gohan to get Mad.

If that'd be the case he would've tried it. You see though, other points have been brought up inferring Goku and Gohan are MSSjs, and this is why I think they didn't add that kind of prospect in there...if they were indeed aiming to make Gohan appear the hero in Movie 8 in the first place.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-13-2008

Well maybe but they still could easily pull characters from wherever they want since they wanted to make Goku the hero. We don't know what goes on in the guys head's who make this so I don't see why we have to for "Outside-universe" explanations. They could have pulled them from the Time Chamber it's their movie and they can do whatever they want. Also you clearly notice in the scene after Vegeta is first grabbed by Piccolo to go and fight. Gohan is blasted aside and Broly (With an angry look on his face) punches Goku, and then the screen goes back to Vegeta & Piccolo arguing. No I suppose you'd say "Well Piccolo isn't stronger than Vegeta in the Cell Games" well that may be true but I find it quite possible that Piccolo was in the ROSAT for most of the Movie so I think Vegeta and Trunks are at their level when they fought Perfect Cell. Piccolo didn't do too much worse against the Cell Juniors than Vegeta & Trunks did, and Vegeta (Cell Games) thought he could beat Cell (The one who creamed him before) so I could easily see Piccolo (Movie 8) being better than Vegeta (Movie 8).
As I mentioned before Goku was hit by Broly (Who has a mad expression on his face) and then when Goku is knocked into a building and says "This guy is really something else" Broly blasts him one time (With a serious look on his face) now we never see Gohan again after he's blasted away in the scene where Piccolo is nagging Vegeta so really when Broly had a pissed off expression for those instances then Goku is stronger since he lasted longer. We might not know who he was going harder on and who he wasn't but when you see Goku get with a serious punch and a blast and still have alot more energy to keep fighting, then he could easily be the strongest warrior. Even in the first round he has the same expression on his face when he fights them before Piccolo shows up and yet Goku STILL lasts longer. So really theres nothing to suggest that he fought them each with a certain level of power. This is of course my opinion, but I made this thread to not have another discussion regarding the Z Fighters power in Movie 8 & Movie 10 so I was aiming to avoid it but oh, well.
However Broly is right about one thing combining Base Vegeta (Half power) & the others half power was really not the case I think they simply needed some reason for Broly to be defeated. However I think that they had more fight in them but since they already tried ganging up on him Piccolo knew it wouldn't work so maybe they just decided to combine they're powers.

Deep thought · 05-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

Well I'll tell you, it isn't easy ignoring lame accusations saying Broly is off the wall dumb. He's insane with hatred. And his hatred stems from his insanity because he is the Legendary Super Saiyan. I'm sure, however, that Broly did learn how to fight from his father Paragas, who would know the Saiyan style of fighting, if there was indeed an official one.

Hatred doesn't excuse stupidity.

And Broly has no fighting style, even you stated that at one point.

Broly The LSSJ · 05-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

Hence, Broly's really not that strong. MSSJ Goku was hugely more powerful than Ascendant Vegeta, at least twice as much, who was in turn much stronger than a standard SSJ. Basically, even with all the energy that the others could provide to him, I honestly don't think that Goku's power would have been much over his MSSJ state, once he's given all that extra energy. And then that was enough to totally own Broly with one punch. That's at a level of SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell, and implies that there was a sizable difference in the power levels. Even if I assume Goku's boosted power was 1.5x his MSSJ level, the fact that he owned Broly so hard indicates to me that he was only ever around 75% of MSSJ Goku's strength, at a maximum, and more probably roughly equal to the power Goku demonstrated to Karin. That's how I see it.

Goku was a MSSJ since he first transformed. Nowhere is it hinted that he held back any power in his fight with Broly, hence him giving it his all like his fight with Cell. He certainly wasn't using only half his power, that would've had him crushed in even less time. The only reason one punch beat Broly was because he focused every bit of energy he had into that which makes sense because it ripped a hole through Broly's stomach and because Goku was wiped out afterwards like he was before begging his friends for help. I like to think of this from Movie 6 when Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin focused their melee attacks on one particular point smashing Cooler's robots. So with that cleared up, MSSJ Goku was far above MSSJ Gohan with all the extra power he received and was only abit stronger than the power Broly was currently at (not his max). The ending was shit but this is how I make the most sense out of it.

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Originally Posted by Devilz

Bio Broly is no where near LSSJ Broly (Movie 10).

Bio Broly is even weaker than SSJ Broly...

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

I'm talking about him prior to getting hit with the goo. Why do I think that he is as powerful or stronger than movie 10 Broly?

1. Everything else about the clone was the same, I don't see why his power shouldn't, especially since the scientists made a big deal about his power and only his power.

2. That goo is shown and I think even stated to be horrible, horrible stuff.

3. All the other movie villains are equal or stronger than their previous counterparts, I don't see why this should be an exception.

While #3 isn't necessarily true, the main reason for Broly being abit stronger than he was in Movie 10 is because he was rebuilt using genetic engineering, hence why the scientist said he would be "stronger than ever"

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

I have Cell, at full power, slightly stronger than Broly, same with Bojack.

Bojack=/>Cell=/>Broly. That's in sheer strength, though, because Cell would win against Bojack, despite the minor strength difference.

Broly would lose horribly, though, because, without his huge strength difference, he's nothing. Besides Fat Janemba, every other villain is smarter than Broly. Even Nappa, who was stupid enough to take a Keinzen head on. Then again, I can see Broly being stupid enough to not dodge a Keinzan and take it head on. He has no sort of martial arts and no abilities besides a barrier, which probably only does a lot of damage because of Broly's ludicrous power gaps with everyone else.

Bojack and Cell, on the other hand, are much closer to the top, intelligence-wise. They both rely on more than brute strength, they both know martial arts, and they both have a handful of moves.

I must say that it'll be hard for even Broly fans to ignore this one.

First off, Broly is also smarter than all the Buu's except for Buutenks and Buuhan.

All of Cell's moves, smarts and techniques are stolen so without those, he would be nothing. Bojack's moves are nothing better than Broly's and his potential is certainly nowhere close so lets be fair here.

Broly's fighting style is mostly of torturous wrestling moves, punching/kicking combos, body slams and anything else that utilizes his large body mass. He doesn't know martial arts like the Z-fighters because he was never taught like them so what do you expect? His raw power is so large that he doesn't even need to worry about a lack of skill to wreck his opponents. His abilities are to drastically raise his power level with no sort of effort other than rage which shows how gifted he is. and his own set of ki attacks are the Eraser Cannon, Gigantic Meteor, and Shell Blaster.

Overall:
Broly > Cell > Bojack

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Well maybe but they still could easily pull characters from wherever they want since they wanted to make Goku the hero. We don't know what goes on in the guys head's who make this so I don't see why we have to for "Outside-universe" explanations. They could have pulled them from the Time Chamber it's their movie and they can do whatever they want. Also you clearly notice in the scene after Vegeta is first grabbed by Piccolo to go and fight. Gohan is blasted aside and Broly (With an angry look on his face) punches Goku, and then the screen goes back to Vegeta & Piccolo arguing. No I suppose you'd say "Well Piccolo isn't stronger than Vegeta in the Cell Games" well that may be true but I find it quite possible that Piccolo was in the ROSAT for most of the Movie so I think Vegeta and Trunks are at their level when they fought Perfect Cell. Piccolo didn't do too much worse against the Cell Juniors than Vegeta & Trunks did, and Vegeta (Cell Games) thought he could beat Cell (The one who creamed him before) so I could easily see Piccolo (Movie 8) being better than Vegeta (Movie 8).
As I mentioned before Goku was hit by Broly (Who has a mad expression on his face) and then when Goku is knocked into a building and says "This guy is really something else" now we never see Gohan again after he's blasted away in the scene where Piccolo is nagging Vegeta so really when Broly had a pissed off expression for those instances then Goku is stronger since he lasted longer. We might not know who he was going harder on and who he wasn't but when you see Goku get with a serious punch and a blast and still have alot more energy to keep fighting, then he could easily be the strongest warrior. Even in the first round he has the same expression on his face when he fights them before Piccolo shows up and yet Goku STILL lasts longer. So really theres nothing to suggest that he fought them each with a certain level of power. This is of course my opinion, but I made this thread to not have another discussion regarding the Z Fighters power in Movie 8 & Movie 10 so I was aiming to avoid it but oh, well.
However Broly is right about one thing combining Base Vegeta (Half power) & the others half power was really not the case I think they simply needed some reason for Broly to be defeated. However I think that they had more fight in them but since they already tried ganging up on him Piccolo knew it wouldn't work so maybe they just decided to combine they're powers.

1. So? Doesn't mean he took any effort.

2. And yet the rest of the time, he was laughing and making jokes. Hence what he said about a coffin. What you said means nothing.

3. He only lasted longer because he has more skill than Gohan.

4. Goku only had that expression on his face because he was getting his ass kicked, and it was a dumb goofy smile if I remember correctly. Remember right when he passed away after fighting Raditz? There your example.

Obviously, I believe they were MSSJ's so I think Broly from Movie 8 takes this with a decent fight from Bojack. Of course, he would need full power to win which I believe is enough to get the job done. Movie 10 Broly isn't even a fight since he'd be alot stronger than SSJ2 Teen Gohan who easily killed Bojack.

vicdmx · 05-14-2008

Has I belive that Goku and Gohan were MSSJ´s in Movie 8 then it would be broly(movie 8) lssj vs. Bojack Transformed.. okay umm.. I would say Bojack transformed because in movie 8 we all know that MSSJ Goku(Plus the energy from his friends)>LSSJ Broly so that means that Broly would be owned by Bojack Transformed because Bojack Transformed in my opinion beats MSSJ Gohan who is STRONGER than MSSJ Goku, so after saying this I will say that LSSJ Broly(Movie 8) would get beaten up badly by Bojack Transformed.

Although LSSJ Broly(Movie 8) vs. Bojack Transformed would be more debateable.

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Broly Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,108 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 14	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly Did you see him slap him in the back of the head and say, "Damn it Trunks!! Stay out of this!!!"? I rest my case. __________________ A little going-away present for you!!! Numeros MFG

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Ames (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Madrid, Espana Posts: 460 Rep Power: 8	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly Broly Movie 10 >> Bojack (Transformed) > Broly Movie 8. __________________ Ignorance is Bliss...

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Deep thought (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: America, vague, huh??? Posts: 979 Rep Power: 5	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly I have Cell, at full power, slightly stronger than Broly, same with Bojack. Bojack=/>Cell=/>Broly. That's in sheer strength, though, because Cell would win against Bojack, despite the minor strength difference. Broly would lose horribly, though, because, without his huge strength difference, he's nothing. Besides Fat Janemba, every other villain is smarter than Broly. Even Nappa, who was stupid enough to take a Keinzen head on. Then again, I can see Broly being stupid enough to not dodge a Keinzan and take it head on. He has no sort of martial arts and no abilities besides a barrier, which probably only does a lot of damage because of Broly's ludicrous power gaps with everyone else. Bojack and Cell, on the other hand, are much closer to the top, intelligence-wise. They both rely on more than brute strength, they both know martial arts, and they both have a handful of moves. I must say that it'll be hard for even Broly fans to ignore this one. __________________

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SSJ4 Vegito (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,259 Rep Power: 5	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly Well to be fair Goku didn't know that it would take THAT much for Gohan to get Mad.

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SSJ4 Vegito (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,259 Rep Power: 5	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly Well maybe but they still could easily pull characters from wherever they want since they wanted to make Goku the hero. We don't know what goes on in the guys head's who make this so I don't see why we have to for "Outside-universe" explanations. They could have pulled them from the Time Chamber it's their movie and they can do whatever they want. Also you clearly notice in the scene after Vegeta is first grabbed by Piccolo to go and fight. Gohan is blasted aside and Broly (With an angry look on his face) punches Goku, and then the screen goes back to Vegeta & Piccolo arguing. No I suppose you'd say "Well Piccolo isn't stronger than Vegeta in the Cell Games" well that may be true but I find it quite possible that Piccolo was in the ROSAT for most of the Movie so I think Vegeta and Trunks are at their level when they fought Perfect Cell. Piccolo didn't do too much worse against the Cell Juniors than Vegeta & Trunks did, and Vegeta (Cell Games) thought he could beat Cell (The one who creamed him before) so I could easily see Piccolo (Movie 8) being better than Vegeta (Movie 8). As I mentioned before Goku was hit by Broly (Who has a mad expression on his face) and then when Goku is knocked into a building and says "This guy is really something else" Broly blasts him one time (With a serious look on his face) now we never see Gohan again after he's blasted away in the scene where Piccolo is nagging Vegeta so really when Broly had a pissed off expression for those instances then Goku is stronger since he lasted longer. We might not know who he was going harder on and who he wasn't but when you see Goku get with a serious punch and a blast and still have alot more energy to keep fighting, then he could easily be the strongest warrior. Even in the first round he has the same expression on his face when he fights them before Piccolo shows up and yet Goku STILL lasts longer. So really theres nothing to suggest that he fought them each with a certain level of power. This is of course my opinion, but I made this thread to not have another discussion regarding the Z Fighters power in Movie 8 & Movie 10 so I was aiming to avoid it but oh, well. However Broly is right about one thing combining Base Vegeta (Half power) & the others half power was really not the case I think they simply needed some reason for Broly to be defeated. However I think that they had more fight in them but since they already tried ganging up on him Piccolo knew it wouldn't work so maybe they just decided to combine they're powers.

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vicdmx (13) Great Ape Join Date: May 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 294 Rep Power: 1	Re: Transformed Bojack vs. Broly Has I belive that Goku and Gohan were MSSJ´s in Movie 8 then it would be broly(movie 8) lssj vs. Bojack Transformed.. okay umm.. I would say Bojack transformed because in movie 8 we all know that MSSJ Goku(Plus the energy from his friends)>LSSJ Broly so that means that Broly would be owned by Bojack Transformed because Bojack Transformed in my opinion beats MSSJ Gohan who is STRONGER than MSSJ Goku, so after saying this I will say that LSSJ Broly(Movie 8) would get beaten up badly by Bojack Transformed. Although LSSJ Broly(Movie 8) vs. Bojack Transformed would be more debateable.