LSSJ Broly(Movie 10)&Super Perfect Cell&Bojack Transformed Vs. Fat Buu - Page 6

**Broly** · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

Broly fanboy!
Are you crazy?! LSSJ Broly in movie 10 is not so strong! that was a joke right about LSSJ Broly being between a ssj2 goku and his maxed out SSJ3?!

right?

LSSJ Broly(Movie 10 Full Power)>>MSSJ Gohan(Cell Games) that´s it Broly is now were near has strong has a SSJ2!

oh and btw when did Broly OWN SSJ2 Gohan?! in Movie 10 he was a MSSJ not a SSJ2 there was no sparks no nothing!

Fat Buu>>>>>>LSSJ Broly(Movie 10 Full Powered)

Stop making Broly strong, Fully Powered LSSJ Broly would be equal to MSSJ Gohan in Movie 10 and that´s it he really is not strong.

Your fanboyishness is blinding you completely.

In Movie 12 Goku had no sparks and he was SSj2 along with Vegeta. Same thing occurs in GT as well as Movie 13. Or did you not notice mistakes were made? But why would I think Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10? Well, I have a few additional reasons. Gohan's hair was different the first time he transformed in contrast to the second time he transformed against Broly to throw his Chou Kamehameha, indicating there was a difference between two states. The first time we see Gohan transform, his hair stood up like SSj2, and he had one hair bang come across his face. The second time, he has two strands of hair coming down his face, one bigger, the other a very thin strand. This Movie is set to take place before the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. So his 2nd transformation in this movie very much resembles his SSj state from the Saiyaman Arc, while the first is noticably different. Furthermore, we know Broly had to have received a Zenkai from his near death experience. So I don't see how, since Broly was owning MSSjs in Movie 8, he could be doing so poorly against a supposed MSSj Gohan, who is actually supposed to be 30% weaker than his younger counterpart we see in Movie 8. I'm sorry, but Gohan would simply be annihilated like nothing. Taken all these points into light, I'd say it's very possible he was SSj2 in Movie 10.

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Originally Posted by GikuHonishimo

Please.. Super Perfect Cell would EAT Broly for breakfast. He'd chew him up and spit him out like a wad of chewing gum. Gohan only went Super Saiya-jin in Movie 10, he didn't even attempt to access Super Saiya-jin 2, and he was able to get some nice hits in on Broly. If he had went Super Saiya-jin 2, Broly would've been toast, that wouldn't have even been a fight.

Hell, Bojack's Transformed state could probably waste LSSJ Broly in movie 10, since Gohan literally says "he's still as much of a monster as he was before" which actually gives the indication that... his power never increased at all.

Fat Buu was fighting evenly with SSJ3 Goku, and he was owning an SSJ2 like it was nothing to him. LSSJ Broly wouldn't stand a chance, he would be destroyed in about 5 punches by Buu perhaps.

As I have once said, Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10. And so, Broly is shown to be much stronger. I know Gohan broke out of his hold the first time, but it must also be taken into full account that Broly took no damage from Gohan's hits, and smiled his way through Gohan's full-fledged punch to the face. If he wasn't twice as I strong, then I say, what's up with that? How come he can take no damage, and yet only be 30% stronger as many of you say? He must be stronger than even that, obviously.

vicdmx · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

In Movie 12 Goku had no sparks and he was SSj2 along with Vegeta. Same thing occurs in GT as well as Movie 13. Or did you not notice mistakes were made? But why would I think Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10? Well, I have a few additional reasons. Gohan's hair was different the first time he transformed in contrast to the second time he transformed against Broly to throw his Chou Kamehameha, indicating there was a difference between two states. The first time we see Gohan transform, his hair stood up like SSj2, and he had one hair bang come across his face. The second time, he has two strands of hair coming down his face, one bigger, the other a very thin strand. This Movie is set to take place before the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. So his 2nd transformation in this movie very much resembles his SSj state from the Saiyaman Arc, while the first is noticably different. Furthermore, we know Broly had to have received a Zenkai from his near death experience. So I don't see how, since Broly was owning MSSjs in Movie 8, he could be doing so poorly against a supposed MSSj Gohan, who is actually supposed to be 30% weaker than his younger counterpart we see in Movie 8. I'm sorry, but Gohan would simply be annihilated like nothing. Taken all these points into light, I'd say it's very possible he was SSj2 in Movie 10.

As I have once said, Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10. And so, Broly is shown to be much stronger. I know Gohan broke out of his hold the first time, but it must also be taken into full account that Broly took no damage from Gohan's hits, and smiled his way through Gohan's full-fledged punch to the face. If he wasn't twice as I strong, then I say, what's up with that? How come he can take no damage, and yet only be 30% stronger as many of you say? He must be stronger than even that, obviously.

Fine even if Gohan in movie 10 was really SSJ2 then still he actually nearly defeated SSJ Broly then broly just transformed to a LSSJ.

nevermind, I will just re-watch the movie and see if Gohan was a ssj2 or not.

**Broly** · 05-04-2008

If you have any questions as to why/how they were MSSjs in Movie 8, just ask me, and I will explain the whole situation.

Deep thought · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

1. Perhaps. But he only mustered enough strength to bend his arms a bit forward and flip back and knee him in the face. Still, there was no effect.

Dodoria, no matter how hard he tried, couldn't get out of short, small, Vegeta's hold until Vegeta let Dodoria go. The difference between them was 1.2x, yet you're suggesting that the difference between Broly and Gohan was 1.3x.

EDIT: WAIT, I JUST DISCOVERED SOMETHING.

According to wikipedia, which is reliable enough when it comes to this, it says something very interesting:

The original release date in Japan (for Movie 8) was on March 6, 1993 between episodes 177 and 178.

177 "Fight Goku!! The Massive Tensioned Cell Game"
"Syōbu da Gokū!! Chō Kinpaku Celu Geemu" (勝負だ悟空!!　超緊迫セルゲーム)

178 "Direct Hit on Earth!! Cell's Massive Kamehameha."
"Tikyū Cyokugeki!! Celu no Tokudai Kamehameha" (地球直撃!!　セルの特大カメハメ波)

Now, everyone's going to say "Yes! That's when it took place!". Hold on, though, that's when this movie was released, so, unless TOEI was doing some serious planning, the movie must've came out before those episodes.

Where does it take place? Remember when Goku showed half of his power? Well, that's how strong Goku was in Movie 8.

Think about this, Goku never showed his full power during the production on Movie 8. This also explains how Trunks and Vegeta could be anywhere near Goku, because this was when Vegeta and Trunks left the RoSaT for a second time, and when Piccolo entered the RoSaT once.

I have Vegeta and Trunks Post 2nd RoSaT USSJ equal to Goku (Half-power), too.

Some people may think that this placement is odd, but the other movies placement is just as much so, if not more so.

Wow, that was the longest edit ever.

vicdmx · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

If you have any questions as to why/how they were MSSjs in Movie 8, just ask me, and I will explain the whole situation.

Nah dont worry I know they were all MSSJ´s.
the only one who was not mssj in movie 8 was vegeta.

GikuHonishimo · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

Nah dont worry I know they were all MSSJ´s.
the only one who was not mssj in movie 8 was vegeta.

Trunks was an MSSJ? What? Are you serious? How? I mean, during the Cell Games he chose to use USSJ1, so how can he be MSSJ in movie 8?

vicdmx · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by GikuHonishimo

Trunks was an MSSJ? What? Are you serious? How? I mean, during the Cell Games he chose to use USSJ1, so how can he be MSSJ in movie 8?

No Trunks was never a MSSJ I think he was a ASSJ or a SSJ I dont know for sure.

Broly The LSSJ · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

Broly fanboy!
Are you crazy?! LSSJ Broly in movie 10 is not so strong! that was a joke right about LSSJ Broly being between a ssj2 goku and his maxed out SSJ3?!

right?

LSSJ Broly(Movie 10 Full Power)>>MSSJ Gohan(Cell Games) that´s it Broly is now were near has strong has a SSJ2!

oh and btw when did Broly OWN SSJ2 Gohan?! in Movie 10 he was a MSSJ not a SSJ2 there was no sparks no nothing!

Fat Buu>>>>>>LSSJ Broly(Movie 10 Full Powered)

Stop making Broly strong, Fully Powered LSSJ Broly would be equal to MSSJ Gohan in Movie 10 and that´s it he really is not strong.

Your fanboyishness is blinding you completely.

No, it wasn't a joke and that doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. Broly already explained why Gohan was a SSJ2 and you need to get some facts straight.

As I said in one of my last quotes, SSJ Broly in Second Coming alone should be around MSSJ Gohan's strength. And if you "know they were all MSSJ's" in Movie 8 then don't contradict yourself by saying that Broly is equal to one after he got done owning them with no effort. First you say Broly >> MSSJ Gohan then you say Broly = MSSJ Gohan when its more like Broly >>>>> MSSJ Gohan. Make up your mind.

Just because he lost to 3 SSJ's doesn't mean he was weaker than them. Broly's Legendary form is like his own SSJ2 except more unique and much stronger than any other SSJ2 in DBZ. Fact is, his power before getting pushed in the sun was nowhere close to his limit and he was still toying with them. Hence the laughing only using one hand while they gave it everything they had.

Yeah, so I don't see how hes really "not that strong"

vicdmx · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by BrolytheLSSJ

No, it wasn't a joke and that doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. Broly already explained why Gohan was a SSJ2 and you need to get some facts straight.

As I said in one of my last quotes, SSJ Broly in Second Coming alone should be around MSSJ Gohan's strength. And if you "know they were all MSSJ's" in Movie 8 then don't contradict yourself by saying that Broly is equal to one after he got done owning them with no effort. First you say Broly >> MSSJ Gohan then you say Broly = MSSJ Gohan when its more like Broly >>>>> MSSJ Gohan. Make up your mind.

Just because he lost to 3 SSJ's doesn't mean he was weaker than them. Broly's Legendary form is like his own SSJ2 except more unique and much stronger than any other SSJ2 in DBZ. Fact is, his power before getting pushed in the sun was nowhere close to his limit and he was still toying with them. Hence the laughing only using one hand while they gave it everything they had.

Fine, LSSJ Broly>>MSSJ Gohan now that´s my opinion I am not changing my mind, but what I dont understand is you saying that LSSJ Broly is stronger than any other SSJ2 in DBZ!?! so your saying he is stronger than SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta?! you are crazy but really crazy!

Come on any SSJ2>LSSJ Broly.

LSSJ>MSSJ but not SSJ2 in my opinion.

GikuHonishimo · 05-04-2008

If LSSJ > SSJ2, then Goku, Gohan, Trunks, and Vegeta, would have been defeated in like three punches from him, yet Goku, Gohan, and Trunks, were able to fight with him for a decent while before he ultimately knocked them out of SSJ forms.

**Broly** · 05-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

Dodoria, no matter how hard he tried, couldn't get out of short, small, Vegeta's hold until Vegeta let Dodoria go. The difference between them was 1.2x, yet you're suggesting that the difference between Broly and Gohan was 1.3x.

EDIT: WAIT, I JUST DISCOVERED SOMETHING.

According to wikipedia, which is reliable enough when it comes to this, it says something very interesting:

The original release date in Japan (for Movie 8) was on March 6, 1993 between episodes 177 and 178.

177 "Fight Goku!! The Massive Tensioned Cell Game"
"Syōbu da Gokū!! Chō Kinpaku Celu Geemu" (勝負だ悟空!!　超緊迫セルゲーム)

178 "Direct Hit on Earth!! Cell's Massive Kamehameha."
"Tikyū Cyokugeki!! Celu no Tokudai Kamehameha" (地球直撃!!　セルの特大カメハメ波)

Now, everyone's going to say "Yes! That's when it took place!". Hold on, though, that's when this movie was released, so, unless TOEI was doing some serious planning, the movie must've came out before those episodes.

Where does it take place? Remember when Goku showed half of his power? Well, that's how strong Goku was in Movie 8.

Think about this, Goku never showed his full power during the production on Movie 8. This also explains how Trunks and Vegeta could be anywhere near Goku, because this was when Vegeta and Trunks left the RoSaT for a second time, and when Piccolo entered the RoSaT once.

I have Vegeta and Trunks Post 2nd RoSaT USSJ equal to Goku (Half-power), too.

Some people may think that this placement is odd, but the other movies placement is just as much so, if not more so.

Wow, that was the longest edit ever.

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Originally Posted by GikuHonishimo

If LSSJ > SSJ2, then Goku, Gohan, Trunks, and Vegeta, would have been defeated in like three punches from him, yet Goku, Gohan, and Trunks, were able to fight with him for a decent while before he ultimately knocked them out of SSJ forms.

@ Giku - You're talking about Movie 8 Broly. We're talking about Movie 10 Broly.

I understand where you're coming from. But Dodoria was in a hold that was irreversable, his arms were held back differently-flipped the other way around all the way back. Broly held Gohan's arms outward so he could knee him in the back and torture him. Plus, it didn't look like Dodoria was going through nearly as much pain as Gohan was. Also, Gohan and Broly were stationed up in the air, where maneuverability is easier, since you don't have the ground under your feet, restricting you to limited movements. Gohan's escape could also just be part of the plot. Like I said before though, it's hard to come up with a factual explanation for his escape, but because Broly didn't recieve any damage from Gohan's attacks, I prefer to think that Toei was merely giving Gohan a way out so they could further progress through their means. I will look further into this though in order to come up with a better defense for this.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the Airdate Theory is false. I've already pointed this out before. Movie 6 shows Dende as Guardian of Earth, and the movie was depicting a Pre-Cyborg Arc setting. Since that is true, then that doesn't mean they take characters out of the timeline according to which date the episodes fell on during the Movie's production.

Scorpion77 · 05-05-2008

in movie 8 they were not mss thats wat i think

in movie 10 gohan was not ss2, i do think movie 10 did not take place during the turnament or after the turnament, which means gohan was weak when he was fighting broly. and also if gohan was ss2 in movie 10 i dont think they would forget to put sparks around him in the whole movie right!!

**Broly** · 05-05-2008

How do you sleep at night?

SRP76 · 05-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

How do you sleep at night?

With my head on the pillow, usually turned over on my side. I don't curl into a ball, but I don't sprawl out either; it's somewhere in-between.

**Broly** · 05-05-2008

Well...I was actually talking to Scorpion up there.

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Broly God of Death Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Walktown Posts: 7,261 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 16	Re: LSSJ Broly(Movie 10)&Super Perfect Cell&Bojack Transformed Vs. Fat Buu If you have any questions as to why/how they were MSSjs in Movie 8, just ask me, and I will explain the whole situation. __________________ $E:\Socom\ghgihghtithhihbib.png$

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GikuHonishimo (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I live behind closed eyes Posts: 1,236 Rep Power: 5	Re: LSSJ Broly(Movie 10)&Super Perfect Cell&Bojack Transformed Vs. Fat Buu If LSSJ > SSJ2, then Goku, Gohan, Trunks, and Vegeta, would have been defeated in like three punches from him, yet Goku, Gohan, and Trunks, were able to fight with him for a decent while before he ultimately knocked them out of SSJ forms. __________________ - My official DBZ fanfiction.

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Scorpion77 (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	Re: LSSJ Broly(Movie 10)&Super Perfect Cell&Bojack Transformed Vs. Fat Buu in movie 8 they were not mss thats wat i think in movie 10 gohan was not ss2, i do think movie 10 did not take place during the turnament or after the turnament, which means gohan was weak when he was fighting broly. and also if gohan was ss2 in movie 10 i dont think they would forget to put sparks around him in the whole movie right!!

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Broly God of Death Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Walktown Posts: 7,261 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 16	Re: LSSJ Broly(Movie 10)&Super Perfect Cell&Bojack Transformed Vs. Fat Buu How do you sleep at night? __________________ $E:\Socom\ghgihghtithhihbib.png$

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Broly God of Death Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Walktown Posts: 7,261 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 16	Re: LSSJ Broly(Movie 10)&Super Perfect Cell&Bojack Transformed Vs. Fat Buu Well...I was actually talking to Scorpion up there. __________________ $E:\Socom\ghgihghtithhihbib.png$