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Old 04-26-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Who do you think would win? I think its a good fight, so who wins?
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Default Re: SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits)

This is a tough one.

We know Super Vegito was extremely powerful, and was without accessing his full-power. If he was to use SSJ2, he would likely be world's ahead of Goku. I think SSJ2 Vegito would win because his increase would be more significant.
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I already find it ridiculous to assume that SS4 Goku was on par with SSJ Vegeto, let alone SSJ 2 Vegeto. SSJ 2 Vegeto wins.
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I think SSJ2 Vegito can beat Omega Shenron.
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I think people underestimate GT characters, and have some kind of fascination with trying to make Z characters stronger.

Even if he wasn't using full power against Buu, there is no reason to believe that Super Saiyan Vegito is more than twice as strong as "Gohan" Buu. Vegeta-Baby is that strong, and Super Saiyan 4 Goku is far, far beyond that.

Here's how I put them:

Super Saiyan Gotenks (Z) = 110
Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Z) = 100
Kid Buu (Z) = 100
Uub (GT) = 100
Base Goku (GT) = 100

Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks (Z; may or may not exist) = 330
Super Saiyan Kid Goku (GT) = 300

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks (Z) = 990
Super Buu (Z) = 990
Super Saiyan 2 Kid Goku (GT) = 900

Gohan (Z) = 1,380
Base Vegito (Z) = 1,600
"Gotenks Buu" (Z) = 1,985
"Gohan Buu" (Z) = 2,400
Super Saiyan 3 Kid Goku (GT) = 2,700

Super Saiyan Vegito (Z) = 4,800

Vegeta-Baby I (GT) = 3,510
Vegeta-Baby II/"Super" Baby = 5,265

Super Saiyan 2 Vegito (Z; Theoretical) = 14,400

Super Ape Goku (GT) = 6,750

Super Ape Baby (GT) = 13,162
Super Saiyan 4 Goku = 15,795

As you see there, Super Saiyan 4 Goku in GT is stronger than any Super Saiyan 2 Vegito from Z. And that's before any additional powering up.
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I already find it ridiculous to assume that SS4 Goku was on par with SSJ Vegeto, let alone SSJ 2 Vegeto. SSJ 2 Vegeto wins.
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Tough choice because the multipliers for the fusion's transfomrations seems lower.

SSJ Gotenks was able to hurt Shin Buu a little, then SSJ3 Gotenks was slightly having the advantage. If it's the same multiplier for Vegeto, I wouldn't bet my money on him.

If we only use logic and make them power up like normal saiyans would, then I think SS2 Vegeto wins.

I don't see why people find ridiculous to put SSJ2 Vegeto ahead of Goku. Base Vegeto was already stronger than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Gotenks was also stronger. The fusions are just much stronger than the individuals. if Base Vegeto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku, then I don't see why it is so hard to believe SSJ2 Vegeto>SSJ4 Goku.
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if Base Vegeto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku
SSJ3 Goku (GT) >> Base Vegito (Buu) >>>> SSJ3 Goku (Z)

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I don't see why it is so hard to believe SSJ2 Vegeto>SSJ4 Goku.
SSJ4 Goku > SSJ Vegito (Z)

Then he gets two power-ups, once against Baby and once against Syn, so it depends how much stronger you have Goku over Vegito and how much those power ups give him.

If I apply my standard SSJ2 multiplier in Z I have SSJ2 Vegito around Omega Shenron.
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Goku wins again
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Without surpassed limits, I give this one to Vegito. With surpassed limits, I'd say Goku would win although with slight difficulty.
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SSJ2 Vegito wins.
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Vegito gets walled.
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Well in since GT is based off of the anime and in the anime Base Vegito was stronger than Gohan Buu, I think we can use this. So since I think SSJ3 Goku (GT) could take Gohan Buu aswell. So Golden Oozaru Goku is probably around Super Vegito, SSJ4 Goku is even stronger so he should be far stronger than Super Vegito. Then we have:

SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits)>>>>Syn Shenron>>>SSJ4 Goku (Post-Baby fight)>>>SSJ4 Goku (1st appearence)>>>Super Vegito

Each of them have a large gap between them so, considering Gohan's power up to SSJ2 from SSJ I'd place Vegito's SSJ2 form just around SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) but not quite equal to him so my vote goes to Goku.
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I have at least a 57x difference between SSJ3 Goku (End of DBZ) and SSJ Vegeto (Full Power).

How the fuck is Goku supposed to get that kind of boost with ten years of regular training? I know that it's ten years, but come on.
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I have at least a 57x difference between SSJ3 Goku (End of DBZ) and SSJ Vegeto (Full Power).
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