Madness

Well as I see it:

SSJ3 Goku: 1

SSJ3 Gotenks: 5

Super Buu: 5

Gohan: 7

Buutenks: 10

Buucolo: 6

Buuhan: 12

And I put Vegetto at full power being at least 3 times stronger than "Buuhan", so that's 36x in my estimation.

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Majuub

Shin Buu(Piccolo absorbed) shouldn't be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, he should be equal or at 6.1 max.

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Devilz

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vicdmx

No I think Super Buu(With Piccolo) is about 0,2x weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks I mean it´s only Piccolo absorbed not Goku! IT´S piccolo! SSJ3 Gotenks>Super buu piccolo would only help his power a bit but not enough to beat SSJ3 Gotenks probably.

uki1234

How come Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks have same Pl? SSJ3 Gotenks had clear advantage and mangled Super Buu with every attack.

Deep thought

You made a mistake, 6 + 7 is equal to 13, not 12. So that would be 39x, which is closer to 40x.

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Majuub

I would say he had a slight advantage, not clear advantage. To the guy with the name I don't remember, you are right, Shin Buu(Piccolo absorbed) should still be weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks.

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Madness

I took the levels on the principle that Super Buu has one fighter that he uses as a main power source of sorts, but hey, if you want 13, use it.

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vicdmx

the guy with the game is me! lolo.

apocalypse1280

This is what I saw when I read you're post: I laughed because nothing YOU say makes any sense what so ever. How the fuck isn't a Spirit Bomb powered by "all life" in the entire universe, not more powerful then SSJ2 Vegito? That's just retarded. Now lets think about it real hard for a second. The Universal Spirit Bomb absolutely obliterated and annihilated Omega Shenron, right? Now when SSJ4 Gogeta, the strongest character in the DB universe, hit Omega Shenron with his Big Bang Kamehameha, Omega survived that. So logic will tell you that the power in the Universal Spirit Bomb was greater than the power possessed by SSJ4 Gogeta. Having said that, whenever you say nothing suggests the Universal Spirit Bombs power is greater then SSJ2 Vegito, you're basically saying nothing suggests SSJ4 Gogeta is more powerful then SSJ2 Vegito, which is idiotic. You just got owned.

I'm almost convinced you never or hardly watched GT. When the hell was SSJ4 Goku EVER stronger then Omega Shenron? Let's see, Goku gets his ass kicked, then does a Dragon Fist, and Omega Shenron was back to normal like nothing ever happened. After that Goku fused with Vegeta. Seriously, you make no sense at all. The fact is I do understand, and that's why I laugh. And seriously, stop saying you're stating a fact cause you're not. A statement is something someone says. No one ever says anything about Vegito in GT or compares his power with anyone else's. What you present is a suggestion, because it's suggested. It's not a fact, stated or otherwise. Too easy.

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Majuub

SSJ4 Gogeta needed two big bang kamehameha to kill Yi Xing Long. He didn't use much of his power to do it since, he did one, then he did the other without showing any signs of power loss. It wasn't near his full power so no, it has nothing to do with that. It doesn't mean SSJ2 Vegeto is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta.

I said Goku was stronger than Yi XIng Long when he hadn't absorbed the other balls yet, only when he absorbed them was he stronger than Goku.

It's not a suggestion. It was stated SSJ Vegeto was the most amazing warrior ever seen. Now with that said and never contradicted until SSJ4 Goku appeard it means we don't have a clear cut answer if any warrior between them was stronger than SSJ Vegeto. A statement stands as long as there is nothing to suggest it doesn't.

You do know it was a metaphore when they said they took the energy from all life in the universe? If it was reallythe entire energey the GenkDama would have been limitless.

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apocalypse1280

Please tell me you're doing what I thought you would do/wanted you to do. Please, please, please tell me you're saying SSJ4 Gogeta didn't put his full power into that Big Bang Kamehameha... , when that isn't stated, implied, commented on, mentioned, talked about, thought about, or anything like that.

I was talking about Omega Shenron this entire time, not Syn Shenron. You should know that.

It wasn't stated, so yes it's a suggestion. You're wrong. Why can't you understand that. I'll even explain it with a clear definition. If you're talking about 2 different statements, made about 2 different characters, then that would indirectly imply another characters power level. That's what you've been saying. That's suggestive, making it a suggestion.

It was, and that's why it totally destroyed Omega Shenron like nothing. Goku's exact words were, "That's why now, I need to gather Genki from throughout the universe!". King Kai then proceeds to ask the other Kai's to help gather energy for Goku. Goku then says "People of the universe! Share your Genki with me", so you're wrong. Don't argue what happened and try and contradict the writers of the show. That's moronic.

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Majuub

If he putted his full power, how come he did this attack without showing any signs of strain or anything. He didn't charge up like it was somethin special, he just did and the first one would have killed Yi Xing Long. He did two of them, if one contained his full power, he wouldn't be able to do another one right after. It doesn't make sens to put your full power into something, then being capable of doing the exact same thing with recharging your power. Also, Gogeta didn't need his full power to kill him, the gap between them was so wide Gogeta didn't have to do something special to obliterate him. Even Vegeto could have killed Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) easily, even if Shin Buu possessed much more impressive regenerative abilities than Yi Xing Long. When the disparity in their power level is so great, one doesn't need much to utterly destroy the other. It was like when Kiwi was at 18,000 and Vegeta at 24,000, Vegeta was only 1,33x stronger and yet, he blasted Kiwi without any single bit of effort. The power difference between Yi Xing Long and SSJ4 Gogeta was much much greater than that, Gogeta wouldn't need to put his full power to kill Yi Xing Long.


Why would I say Goku is stronger than full power Yi Xing Long when he clearly wasn't? For me Omega Shenron is the last white evil dragon, there is no such thing as Syn Shenron and Omega Shenron in my vocabulary, I think we just missunderstood each other.


I can even tell you the page where it was stated Vegeto was the most powerful being. To assume someone is stronger than him, you have to prove it. Just like it is never stated Tienshinhan is stronger than Frieza, if you want to show he is you must have proof. Going by your logic I could say anyone is stronger than Vegeto. It doesn't have to be stated flat out like that, but you have to prove by using basis from the anime. If you just say it like that without any kind of proof, that's just an assumption.


[/quote] If Goku really gathered Ki from all the universe, he would have take forever to charge up the Genki-Dama. He just took Ki from all over the universe, there is a big difference between taking Ki from all over the universe and taking the Ki from all the universe. The former being the fact it'll be faster because the energy comes from everywhere the latter lasting forever because the universe can be considered infinite and life doesn't stop, at each second something is born and something dies. Goku took the necessary amount of Ki and blasted Yi Xing Long, he didn't take all the Ki from the universe. The amount of Ki isn't stated and I think it's safe to assume no one knows the exact quantity, all we can say is the fact it was enough to kill the evil dragon. In no way does that proves the entire universe power is needed to kill him, that just proves a lot of power is needed to destroy him. His power isn't infinite. Also, the Genki-Dama was much more powerful than him because it just obliterated him, so that's rather irrelevant since it was too much for him to handle. If his power was at least close to that of the Genki-Dama then it would prove something but now, it proves nothing.

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