vicdmx

SSJ Vegito>SSJ3 Goku by a bit because in my opinion SSJ3 Goku in GT is equal to Mystic Buu.

But in my opinion in this battle topic it goes like tihs:
SSJ4 Goku(SURPASSED LIMITS)>SSJ2 Vegito>SSJ4 Goku.

SSJ4 Goku(Surpassed limits)>=Omega Shenron>>SSJ2 Vegito

Majuub

That depends on how big the multiplier is. If it's bigger from SSJ to SSJ2 than from SSJ3 to SSJ4, then Vegeto is stronger, if it's the opposite then SSJ4 Goku is stronger.

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apocalypse1280

Ok this is getting fun. First of all you quoted me..... and proved my point. Maybe I should have been more specific since you couldn't figure out what I meant. SSJ4 Gogeta=put a dent in Omega Shenron. Spirit Bomb powered by the entire universe=beat Omega Shenron. Got it now? I never said SSJ4 Gogeta beat Omega Shenron. I specifically highlighted the two parts of the sentence that were supposed to tell the difference.

Anyways you definitely made me LOL here. On the bottom of the 4th page, I replied to "Devilz", who said, "I think SSJ2 Vegito can beat Omega Shenron", and I said "And why is this?". And YOU replied to me with:

Why did you even respond knowing I was talking about SSJ2 Vegito vs Omega Shenron?

Either way, the ridiculousness of you're statement that even if a Spirit Bomb "took the energy of the entire universe, what suggest it's more than SSJ2 Vegeto's power", is asinine at best. And your whole "it was stated" blah blah blah gimmick is extremely weak. Of course they're gonna comment on Vegito, cause he was stronger then his opponent. Same thing with SSJ4 Goku. They were new transformations/fusions and were meant to be the strongest at that time. Obviously they didn't mention SSJ3 Goku's power cause he wasn't stronger then his opponent and wasn't a new transformation/fusion at the time. It just gave way for SSJ4. That doesn't mean SSJ3 Goku(GT) was weaker then Base Vegito. Go back and quote me on that too cause yeah, thats what I've been talking about. You keep mentioning SSJ Vegito, and I've been talking about Base Vegito in regards to SSJ3 Goku(GT) either being slightly stronger then or equal to. It's good to pay attention.

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Deep thought

SSJ 3 Kid Goku can't be stronger than SSJ Vegeto, it's impossible.

The gap between SSJ 3 Goku and SSJ Vegeto is about 57x. Now, name ONE instance in DBZ where anyone got that kind of increase. Goku's not doing an extraordinary training, either, no gravity chambers, no partner for a while (Goku's got to teach Uub the basics, first), no ROSAT, and no Zenkais.

I know it's 15 years, but, c'mon.

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uki1234

Uub is a great partner...

Piccolo got his power increased at least 30 times after training for androids...

Every Z fighter got his power increased at least 6 times in one year while training for Nappa and Vegeta.

Deep thought

30 isn't 57, though. By the way, even zenkai increases haven't been as high as 57x, and they are ridiculous.

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uki1234

Yea but 30 in 3 years, not 10 .

Deep thought

Yes, but Piccolo, and everyone, were training like crazy in order to save their lives. Goku's probably calmly teaching Uub, then, after 5 years, he'll probably start lightly sparring with him.

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vicdmx

57x?! that´s too damn high.

uki1234

Goku and Vegeta always train crazy ^^.

I can't imagine Goku sitting around for 5 years, except if Chi Chi doesn't tell him to do so :P.

Anyway, I think I've shown that its possible - not probable for him to get 57x stronger over 15 years. If GT's plot calls for such great increase it wouldn't be impossible.

Madness

I don't see why. SSJ Vegito was so far above everybody else that it was stupid.

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uki1234

SSJ Vegeto ranges basically from 1.5x Gohan Buu to 50x Gohan Buu. It pretty much depends on how much do you think base Vegeto is powerful and your MSSJ multiplier...

I somehow always put him near 2x stronger than Gohan Buu

Deep thought

The difference between SSJ 3 and SSJ Vegeto? Not really.

The difference between Goku and Super Buu is at least 4x, and the difference between Gohan and Buu is at least 1.5x.

Goku (SSJ3): 1

Super Buu: 4

Gohan: 6

Buuhan: 10

I can easily see Vegeto being 4x stronger than Buuhan at full power.

So that's at least a 40x difference. Keep in mind, that I was being very generous with these numbers.

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Majuub

[quote=apocalypse1280;984684] Your sentence just didn't make sens. You just had to say, SSJ4 Gogeta beat him to a pulp and it took a spirit bomb to kill him. Why slashing kill and put a dent. Make your sentence clear because it just didn't make any kind of sens.

I said that because SSJ4 Goku at first was stronger than Yi Xing Long, if SSJ Vegeto is between SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeto, then he powers up to SSJ2, the increase will make him go beyond SSJ4 Goku. Since Yi Xing Long isn't even 1,3x stronger than SSJ4 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeto would be, that's why I said that. The funniest thing is the fact you don't even understand and laugh. What are you laughing at??


Sorry but it still stands. Honestly, what proves the energy of the entire universe is stronger than Vegeto?? Also, the energy taken to do the Genki-Dama was giving from beings from all over the universe, it surely wasn't the energy of the entire universe since we don't even know if the universe is infinite or not. It was energy taken from planets they had visit in the past, that's all.

Nothing is weak about that. It's like when someone says: ''Not guilty untile someone proves otherwise'' The same goes for Vegeto, you can't say anyone is stronger than him if you don't have any proof or if it isn't stated, why is it so hard to understand? If you have an opinion that contradicts a stated fact, you must have some proof to back it up, other than that it's just a baseless assumption.

If you think Base Vegeto=SSJ3 Goku, then why arguing. By that logic SSJ2 Vegeto is stronger than SSJ4 Goku. I believe the increase from base to SSJ is the biggest increase among all the multipliers. If Goku's SSJ4 is 10x more powerful than his SSJ3, obviously Vegeto will get an even higher increase since the multiplier from base to SSJ is the biggest.

Saying my arguments are weak when you haven't even one argument. Laughing at me because I didn't understand a sentence that was plain stupid. I don't even know what you're trying to prove since what you say doesn't even make the least bit of sens. You don't even debate, you're just talking.

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vicdmx

Vegeto would be actually maybe 4,50x stronger than Buuhan at full power and I think it shuould be like this the numbers:
Goku(SSJ3): 2
Super Buu: 4
Gohan: 7
Buuhan: 11 or 10 has you said.